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mike the wiz
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Message 1 of 29 (392660)
04-01-2007 5:41 PM


I saw Loius Theroux's program on BBC2 tonight, and was TOTALLY Gob-smacked.
I could simply not believe what I was witnessing. he was called, "evil", "dumb" and told he was going to hell, and this by a guy who couldn't count to five (Phelps).
One fundy girl actually rejoiced that she thought Theroux was going to hell, because apparently it's God's will. He was told how he was sinning and was a "mocker" etc.
It was, the most bizarre, insulting and offensive program I have ever witnessed in my entire life.
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"God is your enemy." "You will eat your babies." "God hates fags." These are just a few of the extremist views held by the Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, Kansas. Louis Theroux spent three weeks in their company, locking horns with its leaders and talking to the younger members of the family to find out if there's any chance of them escaping the influence of their elders
In teh past I have wondered why none-believers seem to be, well, "strong" in their atheism and views against radical Christians, at this site. But after this, I completely understand.
I actually thought this reporter had landed on Mars. It was just so disgustingly immoral when they picketed outside a soldier's funeral. It was also very sad that they made their children hold up signs,and their little girl didn't know why. I felt sorry for her, she had not been brain-washed yet, but I fear she soon will be.

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Message 2 of 29 (392666)
04-01-2007 5:57 PM


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Taz
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Message 3 of 29 (392686)
04-01-2007 7:22 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by mike the wiz
04-01-2007 5:41 PM


This devil used to hold signs in protest of sinners back in the good old days. After The Great Conversion (me converting to atheism), I began to feel sorry for the people who still held signs in protest of supposed sinners. There was one in particular that almost made me cry. Some of these extremists had their 5,6, and 7 yr olds with them. These children were holding signs with hate messages beyond belief.
Nowadays, I firmly believe that teaching your children religion is a form of child abuse. I honestly don't see how it is not child abuse when you force your children to have the same neurological disorder as you and for them to believe in the same imaginary friend ("Jesus is always with me...") as the one you believe in.
I still celebrate The Great Conversion everyday of my life.
Hi, my name is Marcus and I am a recovering christian.

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Coragyps
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Message 4 of 29 (392692)
04-01-2007 7:33 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by mike the wiz
04-01-2007 5:41 PM


Phelps is truly a piece of work, isn't he? I'm truly glad that such sick bastards are such a tiny minority. I just wish I knew why he gets as much press coverage as he does.
Phelps protested in Lubbock, up the road from me, because Elton John donated a pair of his (presumably gay) sunglasses to the Buddy Holly Museum. Duh.

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Message 5 of 29 (392695)
04-01-2007 7:39 PM
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04-01-2007 7:33 PM


Coragyps writes:
I'm truly glad that such sick bastards are such a tiny minority.
While people who are willing to go through such great lengths to express their hate of people are in a tiny minority, I'm not so sure that the people who secretly agree with people like Phelps are in such a minority. Just look at how many times we've been told by your ordinary christian that them gheys will bring about the apocolypse?
May be your area is different, but at every election period I have to drive by many church signs that expressed their hatred of people in a polite manner.

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Coragyps
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Message 6 of 29 (392703)
04-01-2007 8:00 PM
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04-01-2007 7:39 PM


I have to drive by many church signs that expressed their hatred of people in a polite manner.
Here too - maybe I'm just seduced by that polite veneer, and their frequent willingness to let their Big Sky Guy sort all those goats off to the left. Hell, we have KKK meetings within 30 miles of here...I'm probably part of the "tiny minority," not the Phelpses.

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Message 7 of 29 (392744)
04-02-2007 1:07 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by mike the wiz
04-01-2007 5:41 PM


So some punk is trying to undermine parents' relationship with their children, and he whines about them badmouthing them?
It's not hard to see who's behaviour is disgusting.

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mike the wiz
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Message 8 of 29 (392768)
04-02-2007 8:17 AM
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04-01-2007 7:22 PM


Coragyps writes:
Phelps protested in Lubbock, up the road from me, because Elton John donated a pair of his (presumably gay) sunglasses to the Buddy Holly Museum.
Listening to him divulging his insane phlegm, he probably thinks they're contaminated with gay-germs.
This is the first insight I've actually had of phelps and such like him in fundy-America. I literally was looking at the TV screen with a dropped-jaw in disbelief that these people actually exist. I suppose it's mundane to you, but if you've never saw it before - it's a truly bizarre experience. I didn't even have derision, I was in complete shock that these people could proclaim belief in Christ with a straight face.
Taz writes:
This devil used to hold signs in protest of sinners back in the good old days. After The Great Conversion (me converting to atheism), I began to feel sorry for the people who still held signs in protest of supposed sinners
Quite remarkabley, I thank God that you are now an atheist. Kind of ironic eh, but I shit you not.
I assume you're sorry you took part, I'm glad you escaped! Well done.

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Larni
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Message 9 of 29 (392792)
04-02-2007 11:15 AM
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04-01-2007 5:41 PM


Yeah, I saw this one too. I felt so angry that one mean old hate filled bastard could have such an unhealthy affect on those people.
The kids have it the most worse. I really do feel sorry for them. The lad who got a cup in the head showed exactly what these misanthropes were about:
Poisoning peoples minds irrespective of the consequences.

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Larni
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Message 10 of 29 (392795)
04-02-2007 11:22 AM
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04-02-2007 1:07 AM


CDT writes:
It's not hard to see who's behaviour is disgusting.
Bang on the money, that Phelps guy is real nasty piece of work. His disgusting message is the real blight on the U.S.

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Trixie
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Message 11 of 29 (392846)
04-02-2007 3:46 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by mike the wiz
04-01-2007 5:41 PM


Revolting!
I watched this programme as well and was sickened to my stomach. I kept hoping that I could find a tiny part of what they said acceptable, but I was continually disappointed and disgusted.
Why are these people allowed to do this sort of thing to little children? That poor wee soul who was hit on the head with a cup broke my heart. Those parents shouldn't be left in charge of a hamster, let alone children!
What we all have to remember, however, is that these sickos are not representative of the vast majority of Christians. They are beyond the event horizon of extreme.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 12 of 29 (392914)
04-02-2007 9:11 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by CTD
04-02-2007 1:07 AM


So some punk is trying to undermine parents' relationship with their children, and he whines about them badmouthing them?
It's not hard to see who's behaviour is disgusting.
In the first place, the article does not say that Theroux "is trying to undermine parents' relationship with their children". You made that up.
In the second place, let's a have a little look at the guy's relationship with his children, four of whom have disowned him:
Mark and Nate Phelps, the sons who have broken from the Phelps' family, remember savage beatings at the hands of their father.
If Fred Phelps was in control of himself, the boys said they would be subject to seven hits on their backside with a mattock stick, which is similar to an ax handle.
"You were blessed if that's as far as it went," Nate Phelps said.
"Before he moved to the mattock, he always used a leather strap," Mark Phelps said.
Sometimes, the beating would go on for at least an hour and up to four hours, the brothers said. Fred Phelps would yell, curse, scream, threaten and beat the children, "as long as it took for him to get whatever was inside him out. It was like this madman out of control with rage. It just had to play itself out," Nate Phelps said.
"There was the look on the face. It wasn't the same human. Once he got it out, he was just as normal and pleasant as you would want someone to be. There was a radical change," Nate Phelps said.
When Fred Phelps was really upset, Nate said, he would spit in Nate's face and scream, "I hate you!"
...
"When we got home, he just went ballistic," Nate Phelps said. Fred Phelps beat Mark first to get him to say who he was with. "Mark was about to pass out a couple of times, and my mom would take him over to the bath tub to wipe his face off," Nate Phelps said.
Both boys said they were beaten with a mattock stick. The beating continued for two hours.
...
Margie Marie Phelps, whom Nate described as a "very gentle person," felt this is where God had put her, Nate said.
Once Fred Phelps Sr. pushed her down some stairs, and she dislocated her arm when she reached out to stop herself, Mark Phelps said.
...
"I'll never forget the time when he wasn't happy about her weight and I was older by now," Mark said. "Right in front of me he beat her with the mattock. He beat my mom with that mattock. I mean it was a real, real degrading, humiliating kind of experience to watch your mother treated like that."
...
At least two children were beaten because of their weight. Nate was one of them. "They just got beat all the time because they didn't weigh what he wanted them to," Mark Phelps said.
...
One of their sisters was beaten and had one of her arms held behind her back by her father, they said. "She would just be screaming blood curdling screams. He'd be telling her he was going to break her arm, and kill her if he had to, but she was going to do what she was supposed to do," Mark Phelps said.
Mark Phelps also said he used to beat his brothers and sisters if his father told him to.
"Each person responds to abuse in a different fashion. I guess the way I respond to it was to so succumb to it that I was completely under the control of it," Mark said. He remembers beating his brother Nate at the urging of their father. "My dad told me, 'You beat him. I want to hear it or you're both going to get beat.' So I beat him. I beat Nate with a mattock. My brothers and sisters are entitled to hate me."
Never mind Louis Theroux, the police should have broken this family up.
And in the third place, I believe you just tried to defend Fred Phelps, are you completely nuts?
Here's a little quote from Fred Phelps:
Gov. Perry says, "Say a prayer for Texas." Bush says, "May God bless America." Listen up, you blaspheming atheists, God Almighty does not hear prayers for this evil, feces-eating faggot nation. And it is a sin to pray for America.
Phelps on the Amish school shootings:
The Amish children from Pennsylvania are even now in hell. Stop spreading the lie that they were innocent. They were just as degenerate and deserving of hell as the pervert who killed them.
On Hurricane Katrina and on Iraq:
New Orleans, symbol of America, seen for what it is: a putrid, toxic, stinking cesspool of fag fecal matter ... Pray for more dead bodies floating on the fag-semen-rancid waters of New Orleans. Pray for more American bodies blown to smithereens by cheap home made Iraqi IEDs.
On the London subway bombings:
Thank God for the bombing of London's subway today - July 7, 2005 - wherein dozens were killed and hundreds seriously injured. Wish it was many more.
Do you seriously find this stuff less disgusting than the imaginary actions of Louis Theroux which you made up in your head?
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Message 13 of 29 (392968)
04-03-2007 12:31 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by Dr Adequate
04-02-2007 9:11 PM


Dr Adequate writes:
In the first place, the article does not say that Theroux "is trying to undermine parents' relationship with their children". You made that up.
The link says
Louis Theroux spent three weeks in their company, locking horns with its leaders and talking to the younger members of the family to find out if there's any chance of them escaping the influence of their elders
Did I make that up?
Or perhaps you'd welcome the Westboro Baptist Church to come and spend three weeks finding out if there's any chance your children can "escape your influence"?
There's no surprise at all that they're angry. What's surprising is that they put up with such a situation for three weeks. But he probably approached the children "on the sly".
It's not a matter of defending Phelps. He is innocent until proven guilty. I did not see the show, so I don't know what he's accused of doing.
Tazmanian Devil writes:
Nowadays, I firmly believe that teaching your children religion is a form of child abuse. I honestly don't see how it is not child abuse when you force your children to have the same neurological disorder as you and for them to believe in the same imaginary friend ("Jesus is always with me...") as the one you believe in.
And I have no basis upon which to assume or conclude people with these views have too much integrity to produce broadcasts like this example in order to promote their cause.
I predict some will. (not Taz; Taz appears to have integrity).
I once saw a TV show where they had taken a pair of poor "black" women who needed a home, and bought them a house in a town. The town was 100% KKK who had moved there to "escape" from "racial mixing". They spent the rest of the show giving examples of how the Klan had reacted, and treated these women very improperly.
What do you expect? Indeed, they must have expected it, or they wouldn't have bought that house for those women in the first place! Now who did those women a disservice? {that's rhetorical} As I recall some anti-Klan group was involved, and they told the women at some point; but when you need a house, you need a house. It's still exploitation.
I don't support the views of the lunatic fringe. But when the media intentionally provokes them in order to make a story, I think one is wise not to play into their hands. If you want to swallow it hook, line, and sinker, that's up to you.

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Taz
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Message 14 of 29 (392973)
04-03-2007 12:46 AM
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04-03-2007 12:31 AM


CTD writes:
And I have no basis upon which to assume or conclude people with these views have too much integrity to produce broadcasts like this example in order to promote their cause.
I predict some will. (not Taz; Taz appears to have integrity).
I'm going to assume that you meant that as a sarcasm. With an issue like this, I don't have any desire to appear to have any integrity... nor do I want to appear to be some chinese wise old man that only speaks with fortune cookie wisdom bullshit.
The truth speaks for itself. Talking to an invisible man in the sky, hearing voices that noone else can, claiming that an invisible man is always with you even when you masturbate, and hating other people because some madman 4,000 years ago in a cave had an overactive imagination wrote down his madness and called it the holy book, by any practical standard, is a neurological disorder.
Here is a more obvious example of such form of child abuse.

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Message 15 of 29 (392976)
04-03-2007 12:52 AM
Reply to: Message 10 by Larni
04-02-2007 11:22 AM


Larni writes:
Bang on the money, that Phelps guy is real nasty piece of work. His disgusting message is the real blight on the U.S.
We're told it's the price for having freedom of speech. On his own, he wouldn't get far.
The media however, sees a way to make a buck. In doing so they spread his influence. However few nuts agree with the man will now know who to turn to if they want to get organized.
Does anyone know if he's been featured on Springer yet? Jerry! Jerry! Jerry! (

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