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Lorenzo7
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Message 1 of 101 (2246)
01-16-2002 8:30 AM


I was curious as to why we look the way we do. Creationists believe that we are created in the image of God meaning we share common characteristics.
Tell me what was the point of evolving an upright stance from 4- to 2-legged creatures if most of the animals prefer activating as 4-legged. And 4-legged creatures obviously can survive and move better.
Please explain why we don't have 3 ears instead of two (i'm being exaggerating) because the point remains that we as creationists know we are created in the image of God. But if we evolved, whose to say why we don't have 3 ears out of complete chance, than just two? If its survival of the fittest, shouldn't those who hear better survive better? How were both male and females evolved at the same time, close enough to be able to reproduce. And who came first, a male or female? Why aren't there more sex genders if different sexes were evolved. As a creationist, I can say that God created just males and females specifically. Please try not to respond with questions that reciporicate. Thanks.
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joz
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Message 2 of 101 (2261)
01-16-2002 10:01 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Lorenzo7
01-16-2002 8:30 AM


quote:
Originally posted by Lorenzo7:
I was curious as to why we look the way we do. Creationists believe that we are created in the image of God meaning we share common characteristics.
Just wondering how do you know this? You seen God lately?
quote:
Tell me what was the point of evolving an upright stance from 4- to 2-legged creatures if most of the animals prefer activating as 4-legged. And 4-legged creatures obviously can survive and move better.
Well first up why do four legs give you a survival advantage, so you can run faster?
But if like humans your advantage lies in being able to use tools then running on all fours is a bad idea as feet/hands adapted to run on are less able to manipulate tools...
Tell all the four legged animals we have hunted out of existence how advantageous 4 legs are over tool use... Oh you cant can you they are extinct...
quote:
Please explain why we don't have 3 ears instead of two (i'm being exaggerating) because the point remains that we as creationists know we are created in the image of God. But if we evolved, whose to say why we don't have 3 ears out of complete chance, than just two? If its survival of the fittest, shouldn't those who hear better survive better?
Heres a hypothesis for you (I`m not sure if its right) ears are located over weak points in the skull having more ears would be a bad plan as it would lead to greater chance of buggering up the brain in an accident....
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Oreopithecus
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Message 3 of 101 (2267)
01-16-2002 11:10 AM


Tell me what was the point of evolving an upright stance from 4- to 2-legged creatures if most of the animals prefer activating as 4-legged. And 4-legged creatures obviously can survive and move better.
Tyrannosaurus rex walked on two legs, as did most meat-eating dinosaurs.
because the point remains that we as creationists know we are created in the image of God
So God has a penis then I take it. And is he black/white/asian, is he fat/skinny/anorexic, does he have bad breathe??

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gene90
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Message 4 of 101 (2272)
01-16-2002 11:13 AM
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01-16-2002 10:01 AM


quote:
Please explain why we don't have 3 ears instead of two (i'm being exaggerating) because the point remains that we as creationists know we are created in the image of God. But if we evolved, whose to say why we don't have 3 ears out of complete chance, than just two? If its survival of the fittest, shouldn't those who hear better survive better?
You have two ears so that (1) you can get a decent coverage of the area around you (2) you can tell the direction of the sound.
A third ear would not contribute appreciably to either reason and would increase the demands placed upon the brain.
By the way, your argument is flawed because you are claiming that a third ear would make people hear better, and since you believe that we were made in a "great design" by God, the possibility that our bodies could be improved through modification undermines your premise.

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joz
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Message 5 of 101 (2273)
01-16-2002 11:16 AM
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01-16-2002 11:10 AM


quote:
Originally posted by Oreopithecus:
So God has a penis then I take it. And is he black/white/asian, is he fat/skinny/anorexic, does he have bad breathe??
Why not a vagina?
Or is God hermaphroditic?
Or a neuter? God doesn`t have to have sex to reproduce....

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Lorenzo7
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Message 6 of 101 (2280)
01-16-2002 12:13 PM


What I'm trying to say is that we are created in the image of God meaning that we share common characteristics. You and I don't look exactly the same, but we share common characterics. Its not facial hair, or dimples or sex organs that i'm talking about. Its the fact that we are both beings that act similiarly. We both love and feel pain. That has nothing to do with God's race or size or anything like that. I hope I made my opinion clearer.
I know this is kind of off the point, but the comment about have I seen God. You've probably heard the wind analogy a million times. Its simplistic but follows the same lines. You can see the wind or gravity, but you can see the results of it.

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Darwinboy
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Message 7 of 101 (2283)
01-16-2002 12:42 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by Lorenzo7
01-16-2002 12:13 PM


Your point is well taken and makes sense.

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joz
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Message 8 of 101 (2286)
01-16-2002 12:57 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by Lorenzo7
01-16-2002 12:13 PM


quote:
Originally posted by Lorenzo7:
I know this is kind of off the point, but the comment about have I seen God. You've probably heard the wind analogy a million times. Its simplistic but follows the same lines. You can see the wind or gravity, but you can see the results of it.
Understood but in order to state with absolute certainty that we share common characteristics you must observe God and his characteristics otherwise it is a hypothesis based on nothing.... Yet another a priori speculation...

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mark24
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Message 9 of 101 (2293)
01-16-2002 1:40 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by Lorenzo7
01-16-2002 12:13 PM


quote:
Originally posted by Lorenzo7:
What I'm trying to say is that we are created in the image of God meaning that we share common characteristics.

We share common characteristics with all life.
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Occam's razor is not for shaving with.

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nator
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Message 10 of 101 (2311)
01-17-2002 12:06 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by Lorenzo7
01-16-2002 12:13 PM


How do you know you were made in the image of God?
Do you have evidnece of what God looks like, so anyone can compare what you look like with what God looks like and pretty much everybody agrees that the two of you bear a striking resemblance to each other?
Or, were you taught that God made us in His/Her/It's image, and you accept that at face value?
Look, you are free to believe that, of course, more power to you. However, if you are using a religious teaching to try to make a point about a scientific theory of Biology, I really don't think that it's going to do much for your argument.

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nator
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Message 11 of 101 (2314)
01-17-2002 12:14 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by Lorenzo7
01-16-2002 12:13 PM


[QUOTE]You can see the wind or gravity, but you can see the results of it.[/B][/QUOTE]
Great, you accept inference as evidence!
We actually DO observe evolution directly both in the lab and in the field, and we see lots of "results of it."
Have a look at these two web sites for a good introduction to Evolutionary Biology:
http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Temple/9917/evolution/evolution-for-beginners.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-intro-to-biology.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/evolution-definition.html
Please bring any specific questions, arguments, criticisms, or comments back here and we will discuss them.
Happy Learning!

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Minnemooseus
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Message 12 of 101 (2315)
01-17-2002 12:23 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by Lorenzo7
01-16-2002 12:13 PM


In the image of God?: Might that not be a physical image at all?
Maybe it's an intellectual image. Maybe we were created to have a thought process like God.
Moose
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Old Earth evolution - Yes
Godly creation - Maybe

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gene90
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Message 13 of 101 (2327)
01-17-2002 11:03 AM
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01-17-2002 12:23 AM


[QUOTE]Originally posted by minnemooseus:
Maybe it's an intellectual image. Maybe we were created to have a thought process like God.
[/B][/QUOTE]
I think that's the only feasible interpretation. How can an omnipresent entity have a form? Except when it is deliberately acting in human form for some particular purpose. Yet unlike the biomechanics, which can vary across species adapted to various environments and are always highly specialized, it would seem that the capacity to reason, and to feel, and to have moral values, would be universally similar, whether one is a biological form or something else.
Of course such a liberal interpretation of Scripture is likely to irk fundamentalists, and I applaud Lorenzo for bringing it up.
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joz
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Message 14 of 101 (2330)
01-17-2002 11:09 AM
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01-17-2002 11:03 AM


quote:
Lorenzo:
"I was curious as to why we look the way we do. Creationists believe that we are created in the image of God meaning we share common characteristics."

Seems to me he was referring to physical appearance...

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Minnemooseus
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Message 15 of 101 (2332)
01-17-2002 11:39 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by joz
01-17-2002 11:09 AM


Lorenzo is referring to physical appearance, but was the Bible?
Moose

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