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Topic: ONE GOD OF THREE RELIGIONS?
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DarkStar
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Message 1 of 47 (114034)
06-09-2004 11:46 PM
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Is the god of christianity different from, and better than the god of judaism or the god of islam? If so, why? If not, why not? Some would claim that all three religions worship one god, while others would disagree saying that the jews rejected their gods messiah and that the muslims follow a false prophet. What say you, christian?
BREATHE DEEP THE GATHERING GLOOM
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Message 2 of 47 (114395)
06-11-2004 9:24 AM
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 3 of 47 (114478)
06-11-2004 2:24 PM
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Reply to: Message 1 by DarkStar
06-09-2004 11:46 PM
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Is Jesus a seperate individual? In Christianity are there multiple GODs?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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DarkStar
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Message 4 of 47 (114554)
06-11-2004 8:49 PM
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Reply to: Message 3 by jar
06-11-2004 2:24 PM
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Multiplicity?
jar writes: Is Jesus a seperate individual? In Christianity are there multiple GODs? You tell me! Cheers
BREATHE DEEP THE GATHERING GLOOM
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Andya Primanda
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Message 5 of 47 (114568)
06-11-2004 10:39 PM
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As a Muslim, I am fine with the thought that Allah/God is also the God of Jews and Christians, because He told us in the Qur'an that the Torah and Gospels were also His word (although later corrupted by man), ans Moses and Jesus were his messengers. But we Muslims don't believe that Jesus is God. [Last time I said this some Christians go at me like a ton of ballast though]
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Hangdawg13
Member (Idle past 773 days) Posts: 1189 From: Texas Joined: 05-30-2004
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Message 6 of 47 (114575)
06-11-2004 11:12 PM
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Reply to: Message 1 by DarkStar
06-09-2004 11:46 PM
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Jesus made it clear that those who do not know him do not know the Father who sent him. Those who know him also know the father and have eternal life. He also said he is the way, the truth, and the life and that no one comes to the Father, but through him. The God of Christianity is the same God as the God of Judaism, but Jews who have heard and do not believe in Christ have no salvation. The Quaran has a lot of things that fit perfectly with the Christian and Jewish faith, but it has enough lies mixed in to completely throw muslims off track. Satan has always worked to mix truth with lies to confuse people including many Christians. Fundamentalist Muslims clearly do not believe they are the same God and believe Allah is one. They denounce the trinity. They do not believe Christ was God and believe killing all Christians and Jews is Allah's will. They believe America and Western culture is the Great Satan. Of course not all Muslims are this extreme and many do believe they are the same God. Just like Christians and Jews many ignore the parts of their holy book that they do not like or simply tone it down to their liking in their interpretation.
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Hangdawg13
Member (Idle past 773 days) Posts: 1189 From: Texas Joined: 05-30-2004
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Have you ever read the New Testament?
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Buzsaw
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As a Muslim, I am fine with the thought that Allah/God is also the God of Jews and Christians, because He told us in the Qur'an that the Torah and Gospels were also His word (although later corrupted by man), ans Moses and Jesus were his messengers. Why then is it that worship of the Christian Jew god, Jehovah is not recognized by Islam and acknowledged over 600 times in the bible as God/Elohim and zero times in the Quran as God/Allah?
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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1489 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: 03-20-2003
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Message 9 of 47 (114588)
06-11-2004 11:49 PM
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Reply to: Message 6 by Hangdawg13
06-11-2004 11:12 PM
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Jesus made it clear that those who do not know him do not know the Father who sent him. Well, yeah, but I could make it clear that those that do not know me do not know God. I could even write it in a book, if I wanted. The question is, what has God made clear?
Of course not all Muslims are this extreme I think what you meant to say was " the majority of Muslims are not this extreme."
Just like Christians and Jews many ignore the parts of their holy book that they do not like or simply tone it down to their liking in their interpretation. You mean like you do? (Unless you're keeping to those laws about garments of mixed fiber and not eating shellfish?) I don't even know why I participate in these threads; what the hell do I care if you guys hash out the details of mythology? But it's really funny when you guys point to each other and accuse them of doing the exact things you do, too.
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 10 of 47 (114589)
06-11-2004 11:51 PM
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Reply to: Message 8 by Buzsaw
06-11-2004 11:44 PM
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What crap is that? Here is what Muhammud himself had to say about the relationship.
This is a message written by Muhammad ibn Abdullah, as a covenant to those who adopt Christianity, far and near, we are behind them. Verily, I defend them by myself, the servants, the helpers, and my followers, because Christians are my citizens; and by Allah! I hold out against anything that displeases them. No compulsion is to be on them. Neither are their judges to be changed from their jobs, nor their monks from their monasteries. No one is to destroy a house of their religion, to damage it, or to carry anything from it to the Muslims' houses. Should anyone take any of these, he would spoil God's covenant and disobey His Prophet. Verily, they (Christians) are my allies and have my secure charter against all that they hate. No one is to force them to travel or to oblige them to fight. The Muslims are to fight for them. If a female Christian is married to a Muslim, this is not to take place without her own wish. She is not to be prevented from going to her church to pray. Their churches are to be respected. They are neither to be prevented from repairing them nor the sacredness of their covenants. No one of the nation is to disobey this covenant till the Day of Judgment and the end of the world."
Three people, one GOD.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Buzsaw
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Message 11 of 47 (114591)
06-11-2004 11:53 PM
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Reply to: Message 3 by jar
06-11-2004 2:24 PM
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In Christianity are there multiple GODs? No, Jar, in Christianity there is God, Jehovah, the father, Jesus, the son of Jehovah, his father, and the Holy Spirit, the spirit of both Jehovah the father and Jesus the son and the member of the trinity who makes the three members of one spirit, thus the oneness of the three or tri-unity/trinity.
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 12 of 47 (114594)
06-11-2004 11:58 PM
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Reply to: Message 11 by Buzsaw
06-11-2004 11:53 PM
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Then, as I said above, three people, one God.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Buzsaw
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Message 13 of 47 (114595)
06-12-2004 12:01 AM
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Reply to: Message 10 by jar
06-11-2004 11:51 PM
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Jar, what in your post specifies as to whether the gods of the three religions are in fact one and the same?
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Buzsaw
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Message 14 of 47 (114597)
06-12-2004 12:03 AM
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Reply to: Message 12 by jar
06-11-2004 11:58 PM
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You're not making any sense, Jar.
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Buzsaw
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Message 15 of 47 (114598)
06-12-2004 12:08 AM
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Reply to: Message 9 by crashfrog
06-11-2004 11:49 PM
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I don't even know why I participate in these threads; what the hell do I care if you guys hash out the details of mythology? Well then, here's your hat, what's your hurry, Frogy? 
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