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Author | Topic: Kent Hovind is a Doctor (READ ON) personally debunks the issue | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1260 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
Hi, I recently went to talkorigins and read all of the "proof" against Hovind. You have to realize the person who runs that site hates Hovind with a deep passion. Well I asked Dr. Hovind if he was really a doctor and if he got his diploma from a diploma mill. Here is what he had to say:
quote: Its in email format so it does look a little weird while reading. Hopefully you guys realize he is a real Doctor. The message speaks for itself. ------------------"I believe in christianity as I believe the sun has risen, not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else."-C.S. Lewis contact me for any reason at: messenjahjr@yahoo.com {Edited to try to improve format. The paragraph breaks are my quick choices - they may be wrong. I also added the quote box - Adminnemooseus} [This message has been edited by Adminnemooseus, 08-08-2003]
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 754 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
I'll match my six years of living in the student slums of Columbus, Ohio making $3600 a year while I was earning my PhD in chemistry against that pitiful clown any day. If he's so well educated, why does he make so many elementary errors every time he opens his yap?
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1260 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
I only wrote that to show that he does have a PhD.
------------------"I believe in christianity as I believe the sun has risen, not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else."-C.S. Lewis contact me for any reason at: messenjahjr@yahoo.com [This message has been edited by messenjaH, 08-08-2003]
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
No, this doesn't settle it at all. Assume that Kent Hovind got a diploma mill doctorate to boost his credibility - what are the odds that he would back down just because someone spotted it ?
This page lists "Name it and Frame it" as reliable :BibleGateway.com: A searchable online Bible in over 150 versions and 50 languages.: Ifc And by all accounts "Name it and Frame it" listed Patriot University as a diploma mill. And, having seen his website, I have to say that he seems to know very little about evolution. And why do you claim that the owner of talkorigins.org hates Hovind ?
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1260 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
I was told by a man who met Dr. Hovind.
I cant believe the proof is right there and you refuse to accept it.-Chris ------------------"I believe in christianity as I believe the sun has risen, not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else."-C.S. Lewis contact me for any reason at: messenjahjr@yahoo.com [This message has been edited by messenjaH, 08-08-2003]
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
The proof isn't there. I'm just going with the evidence.
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1260 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
sure.
------------------"I believe in christianity as I believe the sun has risen, not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else."-C.S. Lewis contact me for any reason at: messenjahjr@yahoo.com
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1487 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
If his degree was bogus, why do you think he would tell you?
Geez, what a world of credulity you must live in. "Did that guy kill his wife and kid?" "I know, let's ask him!" It's mind-boggling why you would think that Hovind's word counts for anything on this matter. Anyway, did you notice his degrees are all in Bible studies or education? Even by his own admission he has no biological training. So why is his opinion relevant to this discussion? One would think that a man who calls himself "Dr. Dino" could get a degree in paleontology, at least.
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1260 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
He openly admits that.
------------------"I believe in christianity as I believe the sun has risen, not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else."-C.S. Lewis contact me for any reason at: messenjahjr@yahoo.com
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Parasomnium Member Posts: 2224 Joined: |
"It is [...] interesting to watch how the evolutionists will spend much time and effort scrutinizing a subject like my degree or credentials yet won't spend 2 seconds scrutinizing how ridiculous the evolution theory is!"
Maybe that's because in two seconds they realize it is such an elegant and plausible idea that from that moment on they will spend a lot more than two seconds on finding out more about it. "I took advanced math and science classes at East Peoria High School graduating in 1971." Thereby stretching the meaning of the word 'advanced' to breaking point. "I [...] transferred to Midwestern Baptist College in Pontiac, Michigan where I double majored in education and the Bible andgraduated in 1974." (Emphasis by Parasomnium) "I finished my Masters (1988) and Doctorate (1991) degrees in education from Patriot University." (Emphasis by Parasomnium) So it's mainly education mr Hovind has a degree in, not (molecular) biology, taxonomy, geology, paleontology, physics, (bio)chemistry, to name but a few sciences pertaining to evolution. "I spent many years working on my degree and learned a lot ..." "a lot" being what exactly? "... - as anyone who has watched my debates with evolutionists or seminar series will testify." Anyone who is very gullible and who isn't particularly well educated, that is. And then only maybe. "Long after I graduated, Patriot became independent of thechurch, moved their offices into a house and dropped the Ph.D. in their education program." Long after 1991? Well, I guess for someone who thinks the earth is only six thousand years old, twelve years (or less) really is a long time. The following text comes from the information page of Patriot University (http://www.patriotuniversity.com/general.asp):"We firmly believe that conclusions about life and reality must be based on the Word of God above all other experience and research." That's one good reason to drop the Ph.D. "Since they think I don't have a degree, they can call meKent, Mr. Hovind or even "hey you," if it will make them feel better. [...] If you are looking for someone with advanced degrees in science, I do not have them [...]" By Mr. Hovind's own admission, I'd say the people who think he doesn't have a degree are right. "[...] and have never claimed that I did." Calling yourself a doctor is claiming that you do. "If you would like the names of scientists who support the young earth creationist position [...]" No, I would not like names, I would like evidence. Listing names is committing the fallacy of authority. "I only claim to have [...] the common sense to know that the universe is too complex to have happened without an incredibly smart designer [...]" If scientists relied on common sense alone, Quantum Theory would not be known today. "[...] Darwin's only degree was in theology yet he is often called a great scientist in textbooks today. Who and what determines who gets to be called a "scientist" [...] ?" Who: other scientists.What: doing science. "Its [sic] in email format so it does look a little weird while reading." You could at least have spent a little effort, it really isn't that hard. "Hopefully you guys realize he is a real Doctor." Erm... nope. Can't say that I do. "The message speaks for itself." That's the only thing in your post that I agree with, though it may not be in the manner you would like. Cheers.
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1260 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
You can be a doctor without having advanced degrees in science. At least come to the conclusion that he is a doctor.
And I'm confused on what you mean by Cheers? ------------------"I believe in christianity as I believe the sun has risen, not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else."-C.S. Lewis contact me for any reason at: messenjahjr@yahoo.com
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1487 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
You can be a doctor without having advanced degrees in science. Not if you want to be "Dr. Dino" and talk about science. If your doctorate isn't in science, then you can't use it to suggest an authority of science. That's exactly what he has done, however, and what makes him a charlitan.
At least come to the conclusion that he is a doctor. No one doubts that he has a piece of paper that says "PH.D" on it. It's the validity of that paper in reference to evolutionary science that has yet to be established. What does he do with his doctorate in education? What great education theory has he developed? What was his thesis material?
And I'm confused on what you mean by Cheers? It's a salutation where (s)he's from. It just means "thanks and goodbye". Around where I'm (and probably you too) from we say something like "Sincerely".
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Parasomnium Member Posts: 2224 Joined: |
"And I'm confused on what you mean by Cheers?
Trust me, that's not the only thing you're confused about.Anyway, pay attention to what Crashfrog says. (S)he actually does have a clue. Cheers. [This message has been edited by Parasomnium, 08-08-2003]
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1487 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
(S)he actually does have a clue. It's "he", in fact. (I couldn't remember if you'd specified a gender, and I hate to make assumptions.) And I appreciate the sentiment, thanks.
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roxrkool Member (Idle past 1009 days) Posts: 1497 From: Nevada Joined: |
MessenjaH, did you email Dr. Hovind and that initial post was his reply?
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