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MexicanHotChocolate Inactive Member |
The Word evolutionist is often bandied about by creationists to describe those who study/accept evolution as a valid scientific theory to explain how life originated on Earth. It is the same as the use of the word abortionist. Neither word is real. Just as there are doctors who perform abortions(ob/gyns) there are scientists, evolutionary biologists for example, who study evolution. I believe this stems from the creationist attemp to make evolution seem like a rival religion to their own. Or am I missing something?
Our loyalties are to the species and the planet. We speak for Earth. Our obligation to survive is owed not just to ourselves but also to that Cosmos, ancient and vast, from which we spring. --Carl Sagan, 1934-1996
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1504 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
Hi MHC, I believe that there are so many facets to the word evolutionist, but the word creationist pretty much describes a person who believes in the accounts of Genesis in the bible. This board would not exist if not for the distinct opposing beliefs of how the Earth came to be. A creationist must show evolution to be false because the TOE is in direct opposition to the mythology of the Old Testament. If the accounts of Genesis are not literally factual how many other things in that book come into question. It is a house of cards. I know personally people who absolutely will not budge on the creation account in the bible. They do not want to hear about evidence or fossil records or geological data. I have been on this board since Feb this year and can not tell you how many creos came and left in a huff after hearing compelling arguments in favor of evolution. Rather than accept the evidence and data many choose to either ignore it or claim it is a satanic ploy to steer them away from they're faith. So as far as a rival religion I would say that anything that does not agree with the creation accounts will be met with scorn and labled as blasphemy.
"One is punished most for ones virtues" Fredrick Neitzche
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almeyda Inactive Member |
quote: So now evolutionists are taking offence to the word evolutionist?. I cant remember a time where i insulted someone by calling one an evolutionist. All an evolutionists is to me is a scientist that believes in evolution. I dont call them all scientist because thats a generalization, not all scientist believe in evolution.
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NosyNed Member Posts: 8996 From: Canada Joined: |
What would you define as a "scientist"?
And what percentage of all scientists would you guess do "believe" in evolution?
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almeyda Inactive Member |
What would i define a scientist?. Not sure probably someone that studies science. Evolution is definately the majority of scientist. Many people think its because of the evidence but other people believe its because creation cannot even be considered an option.
This message has been edited by almeyda, 06-19-2004 01:18 AM
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NosyNed Member Posts: 8996 From: Canada Joined: |
But about 40% of scientists believe in some sort of creator so there doesn't seem to be any problem there.
The problem is that you want to say HOW a creator works. You can't or, at least, you have it very, very wrong. However the universe began and however it was made to be as it is, it does, with hard work, reveal it's secrets. Those who believe in a creator believe that He wants us to work at finding out how he performed the creation and shaping of everything. He certainly gave us the capability and He has left lots and lots of clues. If He exists He must be very disappointed in those, like you, who can't read the clues.
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almeyda Inactive Member |
But evolution is a theory of how life came to be through natural processes. Without the need of a creator. Humanism is derived from this biological evolutionary way of thinking. Just natural processes. Just the universe, no designer. Evolution is not about finding out how God made the world. It is about finding out how the world came to be with natural processes.
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NosyNed Member Posts: 8996 From: Canada Joined: |
But evolution is a theory of how life came to be through natural processes. Without the need of a creator. Humanism is derived from this biological evolutionary way of thinking. Just natural processes. Just the universe, no designer. Evolution is not about finding out how God made the world. It is about finding out how the world came to be with natural processes.
You're still confused aren't you? If there is a creator then all things are from Him, all processes are His processes. "Natural" is just the part of what He has created that we can see and understand. This is the religious view of the majority of Christians and, apparently, the view of a great many scientists. The laws of physics are His, the nature of chemistry is His and the process that allows life to florish even while the environment changes is His. This is a very competant God indeed. Your God, on the other hand, is a little God one of simple ideas, small magic tricks that even a simpleton can understand. No wonder the theologians shudder at the ideas of the literalists. The literalists try to bottle God up into something they can comprehend without having to work at it. The theologians of many religions see a much greater work, one much harder for us to comprehend and from that greatness see a greater God than your little one. This message has been edited by NosyNed, 06-19-2004 02:32 AM This message has been edited by NosyNed, 06-19-2004 02:33 AM
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almeyda Inactive Member |
NosyNed are you an athiest or a believer...?
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NosyNed Member Posts: 8996 From: Canada Joined: |
How do my beliefs affect anything? What I told you aren't the beliefs of one person. They are the view of the majority of Christians.
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mike the wiz Member Posts: 4752 From: u.k Joined: |
I watched a program with Richard Dawkins. He, and fellow scientists seemed to think that faith was "intellectual laziness". The program was "argument from design".
I can certainly see, and understand why a creationist God would seem small to you. Yet even the program mentioned that evolution explains away a God, or atleast, Dawkins and his crew thought this. So, - God then becomes an unnecessary precursor to the natural processes. Would you agree with that conclusion? You see, these kind of comments make creationists defensive. I thought their concept of faith was most innacurate though. Yet I am starting to see that your view is quite acceptable. I think many creos would be "won over" if this whole "this means no God" thing would dissapear. And getting back on topic, would an evolutionist be simply, those who support the ToE? Wouldn't an evolutionist scientist be called an evolutionary biologist?
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
Darwin himself used the word "evolutionist" in Origin of the Species and Descent of Man to describe those who accepted the hypothesis of common descent through natural selection, as opposed to those who insisted on a special creation for each of the species.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Mike
If you look through the postings from those here who support the TOE, how often do you find them saying that the TOE means no GOD? Is it not more common to find that it is the Creationists who say that the TOE means there is no GOD? The TOE does not deal with origins or moral issues. It has nothing to do with that. GOD is the realm of WHY. Evolution is simply the HOW. If Life began on its own, or if life started from some divine spark is outside Evolution. The TOE continues to apply and explain what we see in either case. And this is a very important point. You say...
God then becomes an unnecessary precursor to the natural processes. I don't think that Evolution makes ANY statement about whether GOD is a necessary or unnecessary Precursor. Evolution says nothing about the precursor. You then say...
I think many creos would be "won over" if this whole "this means no God" thing would dissapear. That is likely so but it is only the Creationists themselves that insist on inserting the "this means no God" thing. It is only the Creationists that insist that Evolution denies GOD. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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mike the wiz Member Posts: 4752 From: u.k Joined: |
I understand where you're coming from. Yes, creationists do insist that evolution might = no God. My point was though, that it seemed very obvious from the program I watched, as to what Dawkins and co were saying. They seemed to be saying than natural processes rule out God. There are some here that would also agree with that view. I am not blaming evolutionists, but there are obviously those who don't believe, that would also endorse this mindset.
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