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Andya Primanda Inactive Member |
Creationism is really an American phenomena, it spreads like McDonald's around the world. While Europe ignores it, it seems that in Asia it would gain a stronghold.
Turkish creationist personality Harun Yahya with his 'Science Research Foundation' has a strong network, backed by the network of Muslim organizations locally and internationally. They have been around for some time, and while creationism faces tough scientific infrastructure in the US, it certainly doesn't in Turkey or other Islamic countries. Therefore it may become bigger there. Take Indonesia for instance. After an Islamic publisher published Harun Yahya's 'Evolution Deceit', the atmosphere of creationism starts to build, and young Muslim activists are ready to confront local evolutionists (which are few here--too many laypeople) and hardly a month pass without another of Yahya's books turning up in bookstores. Does anybody keep an eye over the non-Christian creationists such as Harun Yahya? From what I read, it seems that Pakistan is also getting into it, and also other countries. Have they succeeded in putting creationism in class in Turkey? (I suspect they haven't; the secular goverment is still strong) There is also the Korean creationists, however. I am not familiar with them (anybody got clue?) however their presence marks the far-reaching effect of creationism. (Maybe they are members of that Korean church, what do you call it,...)
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Brad McFall Member (Idle past 5198 days) Posts: 3428 From: Ithaca,NY, USA Joined: |
Do you have any idea why "europe" is 'ignorant' of what you wrote? My take has been clouded by US law relative to the grounding of morals and I am unable to understand why duty has not called on say Brits to recognize that their use and large control of the dissemination of information in equations tended becasue they were so calculated to have not had the word's time that say some one who writes a script with more marks above the letter would tend to appreciated in a network ed world that was here the difference of formal and emprical psychology that having read it that was all that was accepted to be known short of silence.?? any idea in this line or should I begin to show how heteronomy is confused in the drug industry with heterogenous equilibria. GOuld's death prove what I Observed on campus that no one had been able to even talk let alone write about popularly multi-peak equilbrium attractor orbits that are only trajectories and do not need to follow in a line betWEEn the Sun and Earth.##
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inkorrekt Member (Idle past 6247 days) Posts: 382 From: Westminster,CO, USA Joined: |
Yes, Creastion clubs have been established in every country. Institute of Creation Research delegates the faculty to establish seminars in other countries ( Russia, France, Germany,China, Japan etc) to bring in all the scientists together. It is wrong to state that creationism is only in the USA. I heard that in India, this creation movement is growing among scientists. Wherever there are christians, Creationism is also there.
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Dan Carroll Inactive Member
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Wherever there are christians, Creationism is also there. And yet strangely enough, the idea has never come up solely due to scientific research. Go figure. "We had survived to turn on the History Channel And ask our esteemed panel, Why are we alive? And here's how they replied: You're what happens when two substances collide And by all accounts you really should have died." -Andrew Bird
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Wounded King Member (Idle past 198 days) Posts: 4149 From: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA Joined: |
Maybe they are members of that Korean church, what do you call it,... Do you mean the Unification Church or 'Moonies'? They certainly are strongly creationist, Jonathan Wells says his motivation for his writing against evolution was inspired by his membership of this church. TTFN, WK
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Brad McFall Member (Idle past 5198 days) Posts: 3428 From: Ithaca,NY, USA Joined: |
I am not going to muddy up this thread as I had a clear idea of where I was going when I asked this question to AndyP. I was working on a response to mental “disorder” issue and believe you me both the ”ED’ and the question of British use of equations (Russell, Fisher etc still comes up) I am linking a pre-draft onto the thread about me
http://EvC Forum: All about Brad McFall. -->EvC Forum: All about Brad McFall. just so you know I am not ignoring you. Most recently I have corresponded with ICR about “organized complexity” when it came up in a thread here on EVC, about the time Modulous started posting, and I do know about ICR abroad. Here in the US I was dismayed last Sunday when my church had an adult education session on ID and they failed to even reach this level of understanding we already have on EVC, that ID might be but it needs to present more evidence and this from a Church with members lacking in response, including elders, being profs of history, biology, physics, and chemical engineering at Cornell. Where this link and not this thread is headed is toward showing were design of subtraction of rational representations from light in flame spectra of fundamental series made of electrons and photons offers a pallete for design in science not before used. If god is already using it, all the better. But I need to work on the specific versimultudes of variance biometry first, which is why the post is not ready for an ordered belief post. That’s the best I have in reply through Dan’s clever cleever. This message has been edited by Brad McFall, 02-25-2006 08:27 AM
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
DCA writes: And yet strangely enough, the idea has never come up solely due to scientific research. Go figure. Imo, not strange, since most creationism's premise is the Bible, that credible book full of fulfilled prophecy and social goodies that bolster it's credibility. Imo, if the origins are flawed so should the prophecies be proven to be bogus. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW
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ramoss Member (Idle past 777 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
It is more than that. Sun Yen Moon paid for Johnanthan Wells education so he could critize evolution. He got educated for that express purpose, rather than come to that conclusion after his degrees.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1632 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Imo, not strange, since most creationism's premise is the Bible You don't find it significant that there isn't a single creationist who was first convinced of the scientific merit of creationism and then became a Christian, rather than the other way around?
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inkorrekt Member (Idle past 6247 days) Posts: 382 From: Westminster,CO, USA Joined: |
For example: Tenure is denied to creationists in academics. Any paper submitted will be discarded not on Scientific merits, but simply because they question Evolution. This is fundamentally based on the assumption that Evolution is very well established. How? When? and Where? No one is willing to answer. Well, you know verywell that in Science foxes are guarding the chicken houses. How can the chicken roost? Finally, the chicken are blamed for everything. This message has been edited by AdminJar, 03-05-2006 10:24 PM
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nator Member (Idle past 2335 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: inkorrekt, are you willing to participate in a thread that will allow you to provide evidence to support what you have claimed above? I will start one if you are.
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simple  Inactive Member |
Creationism is really an American phenomena, it spreads like McDonald's around the world. While Europe ignores it, it seems that in Asia it would gain a stronghold.
Turkish creationist personality Harun Yahya with his 'Science Research Foundation' has a strong network, backed by the network of quote: Excellent. I don't think it is science that these people have to worry about. It is a system of belief and anti beliefs wrapped in science in some countries.
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simple  Inactive Member |
quote: True. But they do not call such solid evidence science. It isn't in with the scientific in crowd's deciding what is knowledge, and science and what is not.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1570 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
I don't think it is science that these people have to worry about. Unless one is worried about increasing knowledge.
It is a system of belief and anti beliefs wrapped in science in some countries. Can you tell me how "anti beliefs" are different from normal beliefs? Welcome to the fray. we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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simple  Inactive Member |
quote: Science increases certain knowledge, not all.
quote: Thank you. Normal beliefs come in many flavors. One of them is science. At least some parts of science. What is allowed and acceptable in some countries as "science" seems to be an anti God flavored concoction. If Turkey or other places were less restrictive, all the better.
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