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sog345 Inactive Member |
Why Evolution doesn't work. From the Big Bang to the evolution of man it does not work.
AdminNosy:changed title from "why evolution doesn't work" This message has been edited by AdminNosy, 02-15-2005 14:48 AM
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AdminNosy Administrator Posts: 4754 From: Vancouver, BC, Canada Joined: |
Your opening post is not focussed. The big bang and the evolution of man would want to be in two different fora here.
Your opening post offers no support for your assertions. You demonstrate such a lack of understanding of the issues that is is doubtful that you could defend against any rebuttals made. That is, the big bang and evolution have no particular connection to each other. You have issues that have been raised in your ongoing discussions that you have avoided grappling with. In particular in "Evolution is a religious issue". If you can't deal with them there I suspect you will not be able to support your assertions here. As it stands this opening post is not promotable. Other admins may feel differently. New Members should start HERE to get an understanding of what makes great posts. Comments on moderation procedures (or wish to respond to admin messages)? - Go to:
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sog345 Inactive Member |
I will start at the begining of the Evolutionairy theory: The Big Bang.
For over a century, efforts have been made to explain scientific discoveries by mid-19th century theory, known as "evolution." It has formed the foundation for many theories. Yet none of them are founded on scientific facts!Here are the two premises on which the various theories of evolution are based: 1 - This is the evolutionairy formula for making a universe: Nothing+nothing=two elements+time=92 natural elements+ time = all physical laws and a completely structures universe of galaxies, systems, stars, planets, and moons orbiting in perfect balance and order. 2 - This is the evolutionairy formula for making life: Dirt + water + time = living creatures. The Big Bang Theory The Big Bang theory has been accepted by a majority of scientists today. It theorizes that a large quantity of nothing decided to pack tightly together and, then, explode outward into hydrogen and helium. This gas is said to have flowed outward through frictionless space ("frictionless," so the outflowing gas cannot stop or slow down) to eventually form stars, galaxies, planets, and moons. It all sound so simple, just as you would find in a science fiction novel. And that is all it is. Problems with the Big Bang Theory(Why it won't work) 1 - Th Big Bang theory is based on theoretical extremes. It may look good in math calculations, but it can't actually happen. A tiny of nothing packed so tightly together that it blew up and produced all the matter in the universe. Seriously now, this is a big fairy tale. It is a bunch of armchair calculations, and nothing else. It is easy to theorize on paper. The Big Bang is a theoretical extreme, just as a black hole is. It is easy to theorize that something is true, when it has never been seen anf there is no definitive evidence that it exists or happened. But let's not mistake Disneyland theories for science.2 - Nothingness cannot pack together. It would have no way to push itself into a pile. 3 - A Vacuum has no desity. It is said that the nothingness got very dense, and that is why it exploded. But a total vacuum is the opposite of total density. More to come.....
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sog345 Inactive Member |
Notice my second post. I will provide more post in this manor as time permits.
Thanks for the suggestions.
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AdminNosy Administrator Posts: 4754 From: Vancouver, BC, Canada Joined: |
I am promoting this with much reluctance.
I have taken the liberty of changing the title since the topic you have chosen no longer reflects what you are trying to discuss. New Members should start HERE to get an understanding of what makes great posts. Comments on moderation procedures (or wish to respond to admin messages)? - Go to:
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AdminNosy Administrator Posts: 4754 From: Vancouver, BC, Canada Joined: |
Thread moved here from the Proposed New Topics forum.
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AdminNosy Administrator Posts: 4754 From: Vancouver, BC, Canada Joined: |
Now that you have the topic of your choice. This is a second warning following up on the one in "Evolution is a Religious Issue".
If you do not support what you have to say and acknowledge what replies you receive in an honest way you will be suspended rather quickly.
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CK Member (Idle past 4149 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
Do you think it's right to pass off other people's work as your own?
Any student on a course of mine would be assigned a ZERO and failed. Maybe you would like to edit in the link of the site that you cut and paste that material from? (it's all crap on that site but let's give the author his due - it's HIS crap!) This message has been edited by Charles Knight, 15 February 2005 14:55 AM
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sog345 Inactive Member |
What are you talking about. Whenever anyone has anything to say that disproves Evolution they threaten to suspend you or they bad mouth you.
Let's stay on topic!
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1488 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Could you expand your argument to include evidence, please? As it is now your post consists of nothing but you asserting that you refuse to believe the scientific consensus.
We know that, already. The problem is that what you will or won't believe has nothing to do with what is. The Big Bang certainly happened; evolution certainly happened. Your disbelief in either has nothing to do with that.
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AdminSylas Inactive Member |
Sog345; if you quote or cut-and-paste material from other sources, you should give a reference. You should also include text of your own, and use other sources as backup, rather than making an entire post of material already written elsewhere. That's how this forum works.
Check our Forum Rules, especially number 6, which reads:
6. Never include material not your own without attribution to the original source. This is taken very seriously. You are quite likely to get suspended without notice for violations of this rule. See also rule number 10:
10. Do not cut-n-paste long excerpts into message boxes. Please instead introduce the point in your own words and provide a link to your source as a reference. If your source is not on-line you may contact the Site Administrator to have it made available on-line. For now this is a warning, and a request for you to look over the rules again and ensure you abide by them. I am currently exploring to see where the text in your Message 3 is found on the net. I will report results. Spelling errors suggest it is not simply cut-and-paste in entireity, but major sections are indeed lifted from other sources without proper acknowledgement. Is that clear? Read the forum rules, please, just to ensure you know and understand what is expected. Thanks -- AdminSylas
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
Hello, sog.
I'm afraid that there are a few misconceptions in you post.
quote: Evolution is merely a word. It means "change", usually with a connotation that there is some definite history in the change. It is a fact that things change: you changed from an unborn fetus to an adult, my political views have changed over my life, the boundaries and demographic make-up of the U.S. has changed over time. Evolution is an appropriate word to use in these situations. So, it is not a surprise that this word, evolution, meaning change, should be used to describe, or as titles, of various theories that describe or explain changes. Darwin postulated that all living species have descended from a small number of ancestral species, and that successive generations of populations exhibit minute changes over ancestral ones, leading large changes in the morphology of the species. That is, species change over time, hence we call Darwin's theory the theory of evolution. Astronomers can model the history of stars on a computer, using the known laws of physics. They note that over the life-time of a star it will undergo predictable changes in its composition, appearance, and other characteristics. So we talk about stellar evolution. Cosmologists have presented a theory for the history of the universe. According to this theory, the nature of the very early universe was very different than the universe now. That is, the universe has changed over time. So we can speak of the evolution of the universe. However, this word is the only thing that these theories have in common. They are not in any way connected, except that the theories try to account for the changes in their respective subjects. -- It theorizes that a large quantity of nothing decided to pack tightly together and, then, explode outward into hydrogen and helium. This is false. The Big Bang Theory says, as of yet, nothing about how the universe originated. Our present knowledge of the laws of physics are insufficient to understand what was happening in the first 10 to the minus 14th of a second of the history of the universe. Here is the Big Bang Theory in a nut shell: We observe that distant galaxies are receding from ours. There further away a galaxy is, the faster it is moving away. This is most simply explained by saying the universe is expanding -- in fact, Einstein's Theory of Relativity, in its simplest form, states that the universe should either be expanding or contracting. If we extrapolate backwards in time, about 14 billion years ago or so, all the matter in the known universe would have been crowded together, so much so that stars could not have existed. It should have been much hotter -- inconceivably hot. The further back in time one goes, the denser and hotter the universe was. Using the known laws of physics, we can determine what the character of the early universe should have been. There are several scenarios possible as to what the universe was like in its early period. Using the laws of physics, we can then determine what the later universe would have been like under the various scenarios -- by comparing these determination with what we actually observe we can rule out various scenarios. This is the Big Bang Theory. --
quote: What matters is the predictions that can be made from the theory. According to the Big Bang Theory, the entire known universe was in a very hot and dense state. There should have been a lot of electromagnetic radiation due to this heat. As the universe expanded, this radiation should still be here, but should exist as background microwave radiation. So, according to Big Bang, it was predicted that there should be a more or less uniform background microwave radiation. Sure enough, this radiation was detected after it was predicted that it should exist. Big Bang is not simply a bunch of armchair theories. One can use it, and the known laws of physics, to predict what we should be able to observe today if we know what to look for. The past always leaves evidence in the present -- and the Big Bang predicts the nature of the evidence that should exist now, and this evidence is observed. -- This is why the Big Bang is not a fairy tale. It makes predictions, like the existence of the microwave background radiation, that is then observed. It is repeatedly tested, and it passes its tests. The Big Bang is not about the origin of the universe -- that is presently unknowable, and may always be unknowable although people are working in it right now. It is a description of the history of the universe starting at a very hot and dense state.
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CK Member (Idle past 4149 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
quote: What am I talking about? Let's see: You said:For over a century, efforts have been made to explain scientific discoveries by mid-19th century theory, known as "evolution." It has formed the foundation for many theories. Yet none of them are founded on scientific facts! Here are the two premises on which the various theories of evolution are based: 1 - This is the evolutionairy formula for making a universe: Nothing+nothing=two elements+time=92 natural elements+ time = all physical laws and a completely structures universe of galaxies, systems, stars, planets, and moons orbiting in perfect balance and order. 2 - This is the evolutionairy formula for making life: Dirt + water + time = living creatures. The site says:
quote: Easy Server Control Panel - Error 404 And so on.... This message has been edited by Charles Knight, 15 February 2005 15:19 AM
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coffee_addict Member (Idle past 498 days) Posts: 3645 From: Indianapolis, IN Joined: |
Your link doesn't seem to work.
Try this link History of Evolutionary Theory Part 1 Added by edit. Actually, I see what is wrong with your link now. Part of the URL says "evolutionCruncher". Your link is missing the "c". This message has been edited by Jacen, 02-15-2005 15:30 AM People, please look at the Style Guide for EvC thread by Sylas. Pay particular attention to step 3. SURGEON GENERAL'S WARNING: Refusal to use the search engine may cause brain cancer.
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AdminSylas Inactive Member |
The original source for most of Message 3 is The Evolution Cruncher by Evolution Facts Inc.
The first bit, on evolution, comes from Chapter 1, History of Evolution Theory. The second and third portions, on the big bang, both come from Chapter 2, The Big Bang and Stellar Evolution, Part 1. This thread should not have been promoted. I am sure AdminNosy promoted in good faith, without being aware that all the content was plagiarised. I am closing it down for now, pending a review. If it reopens, I think the best engagement would be followup from the substantive Message 12 by Chiroptera. AdminSylas
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