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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
A friend sent me an email regarding this phenomenon. This thread is for the purpose of discussion relative to this and a venue for members to comment on what impact, if any, this may have on current cosmos theory.
Mysterious New 'Dark Flow' Discovered in Space Thursday, September 25, 2008 By Clara Moskowitz http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,427082,00.html BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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onifre Member (Idle past 2979 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
Buz writes: what impact, if any, this may have on current cosmos theory. To what cosmos theory specifically? Here's what I could dig up on the net,http://dsc.discovery.com/...08/09/25/universe-dark-flow.html Universe Tugged by Mysterious 'Dark Flow'Larry O'Hanlon, Discovery News quote: Perhaps, this is the first true evidence for multiverses that we are seeing. Pretty cool. "All great truths begin as blasphemies" "I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks "I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 763 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
Here's the abstract;
University of Chicago Press Journals: Cookie absent It's only $9.00 for the full text - but I doubt that I'll know what lots of the words mean.
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cavediver Member (Idle past 3672 days) Posts: 4129 From: UK Joined: |
It's only $9.00 for the full text - but I doubt that I'll know what lots of the words mean. And here you can find out for free... And here you can find out what it all means... I simply can't remember what life was like before the LANL archives
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
onifre writes: To what cosmos theory specifically? 1. Relative to everything from the present BBT to what drives the expansion. I've made comments in the past regarding the possibility of the portion of what is observable that it may be a minuscule area of the total universe. 2. As I understood the link, the observed expansion may perhaps be due to gravitational pull from bodies significantly greater than what we are able to observe. 3. What interested me also was the point that due to the velocity of light, we may not have any empirical method of determining the age of the universe which perhaps might lend some support to my eternal universe position.
onifre writes: Perhaps, this is the first true evidence for multi verses that we are seeing. Pretty cool. I didn't get that notion from it at all. I understood it as suggesting the possibility of a universe far greater in volume than we can imagine. Imo, the notion of multi-universes is a misnomer in that even if there are scattered huge areas of matter/mass in the universe they would all come under the meaning of universe. Again, that's just my opinion. Perhaps that would lend support to a flat space POV. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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onifre Member (Idle past 2979 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
Buz writes: Relative to everything from the present BBT to what drives the expansion. No, none of our current models fo our universe are affected by this single movement of a cluster of galaxies. It simply means that something with enough mass to have a strong enough gravitational pull, is causing them to move.
the observed expansion may perhaps be due to gravitational pull from bodies significantly greater than what we are able to observe. Our universes' expantion is due to the inflationary period moments after the BB, this is not related to our expantion. The expantion in our universe is uniform, and everywhere we look, this movement is only of 1 super cluster.
What interested me also was the point that due to the velocity of light, we may not have any empirical method of determining the age of the universe which perhaps might lend some support to my eternal universe position. The explanation the Fox article gave about the SoL and the age of our universe was a very layman brush through of it. The age of our universe is very well calculated by none other than your favorite theory General Relativity. Our universe from the BB to now is 13.7Byo, that takes us back to T=O.
I didn't get that notion from it at all. Then you did not read the link I provided nor the quote, here I'll re-quote the specifics,
quote: *Bold for emphasis.
Imo, the notion of multi-universes is a misnomer in that even if there are scattered huge areas of matter/mass in the universe they would all come under the meaning of universe. Again, that's just my opinion. Your notion for a multiverse is incorrect. It would not be scattered mass, it would be a multiverse system from, what M-Theory calls, a Membrane.M-theory - Wikipedia From wiki,
quote: But honestly this is nowhere near my area of understanding yet, perhaps cavediver or son goku can clue both of us in on their opinion of the matter. Howver, from what I do understand, a multiverse system would have seperate universes with different laws of physics.
Perhaps that would lend support to a flat space POV. If space where flat planets would smash into the Sun. "All great truths begin as blasphemies" "I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks "I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Thanks for your reply, Onifre. I can understand why expansionist theory would go with multi verses. Each body of mass would allegedly have it's own expansion unless space were considered flat and infinite. Is that a correct conclusion?
BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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onifre Member (Idle past 2979 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
Buz writes: Each body of mass would allegedly have it's own expansion unless space were considered flat and infinite. Lets re-write it properly, "Each universe would have it's own set of laws, some may expand, some may not."
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