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Author Topic:   Spiders are intelligent
sinequanon
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Message 1 of 6 (444675)
12-30-2007 10:13 AM


In order to determine if and where intelligence impacts the development of life forms we must first have a consistent understanding of what intelligence is.
Current science differentiates intrinsically between instinct and intelligence. The scientific basis for this distinction does not appear to be very clear or consistent.
I believe that there is no proven intrinsic difference between instinct and intelligence.
By an intrinsic difference I mean a difference in the nature of their processes (and, e.g, not a difference in their supposed origins).
I would like to debate this with reference to a specific central example of a spider building a web.
I assert that this is an intelligent process.
For those of you who assert that it is an intrinsically different process called 'instinct', please present evidence of the intrinsic difference.
(Not for debate, but I actually believe that the supposed distinction arises only as a result of human desire for philosophical separation from animals. As such, it is a hang over from the biblical notion of man being made special by God and having dominion over the creatures).
I do not wish to discuss whether or not this intelligence is divine. However, I do propose that this topic goes in the Intelligent Design Forum.

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sinequanon
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Message 2 of 6 (445142)
01-01-2008 10:33 AM


Why no feedback?
Bump
Administrators, is my proposal being ignored?
Edited by sinequanon, : No reason given.

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Message 3 of 6 (445157)
01-01-2008 11:53 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by sinequanon
12-30-2007 10:13 AM


What forum?
I don't see that this belongs in the ID forum. It may be discussing what intelligence is but that really doesn't have much that I can see to do with the topic of ID as it is used today.
Maybe miscellaneous topics?

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sinequanon
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Message 4 of 6 (445191)
01-01-2008 1:33 PM
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01-01-2008 11:53 AM


Re: What forum?
Miscellaneous topics would be OK, I suppose.
However, I think it would be fair to say, "the topic of ID as it is misused today". Design + intelligence = intelligent design. I think the hijacking of the term is being condoned by scientists.

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Message 5 of 6 (445214)
01-01-2008 2:21 PM
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01-01-2008 1:33 PM


Re: What forum?
As long as you keep to your own topic this can be promoted.
The definition and determination of what is and is not "intelligence" is a tough one all by itself.
If anyone starts off answering the extras you put into msg 4 I will suspend them for a short time. It might make an interesting new topic in it's own right however.

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Message 6 of 6 (445215)
01-01-2008 2:21 PM


Thread copied to the Spiders are intelligent thread in the Miscellaneous Topics in Creation/Evolution forum, this copy of the thread has been closed.

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