All About Biblical Kinds

Christians and Christian scientist like me are being insulted that we cannot even explain and define the Biblical "Kinds". Even the AiG is using BARAMIN or baraminology to explain "Kinds". In here, I would like to share how we must use science to explain the Bible. AronRa had given us hints.What is the Phylogeny Challenge actually? This challenge is a challenge made by AronRa, as uploaded in his YouTube channel to, probably, challenge to think those persons who are against Biological Evolution, or Evolution. Probably, it was based on AronRa’s experience in dealing with those persons who are against Evolution. He thought that nobody in this world could rebut and uproot ToE. Thus, Phylogeny Challenge too is too hard to be rebutted, for Phylogeny Challenge is talking about reality. Phylogeny Challenge is a challenge to non-evolution supporters (like me) to make another model for the relatedness of all life forms - a new classification method, just like Phylogeny tree, based on the Biblical principle of “kinds”. AronRa thought that the supporters of Creationism, of old Intelligent Design (ID) and some religious folks had no models to fight head to head, science vs science and intellect vs intellect against Evolution. Thus, giving them this unanswerable challenge is both a win to AronRa and a defeat to those who are against Evolution.What is Phylogeny Challenge to AronRa? If you have time, you can go to AronRa’s YouTube channel and you could see that he is uploading many videos that support the Theory of Evolution (ToE). But there is one video that had caught my eyes. It was the Phylogeny Challenge. Based on what AronRa had been saying in many online discussions, especially in the The NonSequitur Show, he admittedly said that doing a Phylogeny Tree, according to Evolution, was his hobby. Since he was trained, educated and molded in the science of Evolution, he relied on the science and explanation from Darwin. AronRa had said further in one of his explanations that the relatedness of all living organisms, as graphed and connected lines in a Phylogeny Tree, is one of the best examples of Evolution. Thus, to AronRa, the Phylogeny Challenge is not only his hobby in YouTube but also his lifestyle now.Actually, based on his recent admission, AronRa said that his Phylogeny Tree, as hobby before, is now already his job, just like any other person with a full-time job. According to one of his friends (or probably staff? Or helper? for Phylogeny Tree Compilation), Jackson Wheat, AronRa now is doing a full-time job compiling all species and all possible known fossils and put them in a Phylogeny Tree to be classified according to the standard classification of ToE. It was a longtime dream of AronRa, as you can see in his many YouTube videos, that the Phylogeny Tree for Evolution must be completed to see the relatedness of all living organisms.AronRa too had said that if someone will be going to support him, he will personally compile and complete the Phylogeny tree, as has been shown in his Phylogeny Challenge video. He loves it. He really is interested on it since no other explanations or models could compete the Theory of Evolution (ToE). And the Phylogeny Tree, as based on ToE, is making all paleontologists and biologists to be very busy looking for fossils to be included in the Phylogeny Tree. Busy which means job, job which means money coming in, money which means happy living here on Earth. And many people will praise AronRa for completing the Phylogeny Tree.Thus, for AronRa, the Phylogeny Challenge is not only his challenge but one of his many bases in science. Basis, since he believes that no person like me could topple and replace the Theory of Evolution (ToE). He also probably believed that no one in this world, on any generations of Earth in science, could give a new model for biological science that challenges Biological Evolution. In this, he failed since I am here.ALL ABOUT BIBLICAL KINDS (AronRa's Phylogeny Challenge Accepted) | ZenodoEdited by MrIntelligentDesign, : No reason given.

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I'm not clear why I should care what AronRa thinks or says or makes videos about?Can you just say how you are going to produce an alternative Phylogeny? Faith promised several times to produce one but strangely didn't.Taxonomy and cladistics are extremely well-developed branches of biology, first created by physical characteristics and since confirmed (largely) by genetics and microbiology.You'll find that every effort you make takes you in the same direction because the physiology and genetics of animals and plants define it by simple (and complex) observation.

You are an internet figment. You are a ghost. You are a disgusting little worm. You are a nothing.You couldn't explain ID (as you said you would) in your last thread because, again, you are an internet figment, you are a ghost, you are a disgusting little worm, you are a nothing.As a religionist you are a fraudulent priest, a charlatan. What the bible itself calls a false prophet, a demon.You lie. You prance around with your big ass nose stuck up your own butt going on about how wonderful your own farts smell.You are a dishonest, demented, detestable little wimp.But you are the entertainment of the day so at least you got that going for you.

Long long ago in a land far far away when I was designing some of the earliest Cable TV systems it was not unusual to find public opposition and misconceptions like "The cable sucks the signal out of the air so your antenna won't work anymore".In one California Town I got a letter from an irate citizen upset that we would run a cable down the existing power and telephone poles it ran down the real of their property.It began "Dear Son-of-a-Bitch" and ended with "Nasty Letter to Follow".Edited by jar, : on --> one

That's partly because your "Biblical kinds" are not Biblical.The Bible uses the word "kind" much as we do - e.g. "What kind of dog is that?"For example, look at Leviticus 11:

• "the kite after his kind"
• "Every raven after his kind"
• "the owl, and the night hawk, and the cuckow, and the hawk after his kind"
• "the heron after her kind"
• "the locust after his kind"
• "the bald locust after his kind"
• "the beetle after his kind"
• "the grasshopper after his kind."
• "the tortoise after his kind"

"What kind of bird is that?"Notice that the hawk and the night hawk appear to be different kinds. Also the locust and the bald locust appear to be different kinds.Each reproduces according to his kind or her kind. All of them had to be on the ark - no magical speedy differentiation after the Flood.

So, the heron is the only female kind. That explains a lot.

The phylogenetic challenge has been around for about 140 years.

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Now, since the days of Linnæus this principle has been carefully followed, and it is by its aid that the tree-like system of classification has been established. No one, even long before Darwin's days, ever dreamed of doubting that this system is in reality, what it always has been in name, a natural system. What, then, is the inference we are to draw from it? An evolutionist answers, that it is just such a system as his theory of descent would lead him to expect as a natural system. For this tree-like system is as clear an expression as anything could be of the fact that all species are bound together by the ties of genetic relationship. If all species were separately created, it is almost incredible that we should everywhere observe this progressive shading off of characters common to larger groups, into more and more specialized characters distinctive only of smaller and smaller groups. At any rate, to say the least, the law of parsimony forbids us to ascribe such effects to a supernatural cause, acting in so whimsical a manner, when the effects are precisely what we should expect to follow from the action of a highly probable natural cause.
--George Romanes, "The Scientific Evidence for Organic Evolution", 1882
The Project Gutenberg eBook of The Scientific Evidences of Organic Evolution, by George J. Romanes, M.A., LL.D., F.R.S.

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After 140 years, creationists still haven't cracked this nut.Edited by Taq, : No reason given.

OK, so what you are telling us is that you have nothing and you are only interested in bitching and moaning (with a lot of gnashing of teeth thrown in as well) at the very idea that you might be expected to present and support your own position.And it takes you six paragraphs of a meandering rant that contains nothing but ad hominems and ... well, nothing.So then what possible purpose can there be for this topic except for you to demonstrate that you have nothing (which I have no doubt that you will continue to demonstrate repeatedly and emphatically) and for us to agree with you?I honestly cannot understand what you could possibly think that you'd be accomplishing here.Edited by dwise1, : corrected small typo: interesting --> interested

And yet we don't see an alternate explanation for the phylogenetic signal seen in both the morphological and genetic data. Apparently, MrID thinks he should get a trophy for just showing up.

You mean because of his entitled childhood where everybody got a trophy? Just for participating?But he hasn't participated. Nor does he demonstrate any inclination to ever participate.

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"Crazy is never invited to the party. It just shows up."

This is Trump's contribution to science, you don't actually have to do anything ever, just say you did, over and over.