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Phat Member Posts: 18345 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
I got up bright and early and was reading Did Jesus Declare All Food Clean? when a couple of posts by new member candle2 caught my eye...namely about the toxins within unclean animals and how hogs used to eat all of Philadelphia's trash, according to him! Naturally, I wanted to research this piggish claim, so I began googling and stumbled upon this article: A Filthy History: When New Yorkers Lived Knee-Deep in Trash. The pigs, of course, have long since ceased being a solution to urban garbage, but the article that I read turned out to be fascinating yet disturbing. Some quotes which stood out:
quote: So I began to think of the entire planet-at-large. The vast plastic dump in the pacific ocean. The places that each individual metropolis globally puts their garbage. Forget Jesus and unclean animals! This was a current problem that most people are taught to ignore. We somehow think that when we throw stuff away it magically disappears. Here in the US we have only recently have been tightening our laws regarding proper disposal. What about Mexico City? Singapore? The 50 largest metropolises globally? Why is the Pacific Ocean said to now be "dead"?
Q: Why don’t people know where their trash goes?A: Well, are they aware of where their water comes from? Or where their electricity starts? Or where their computer components were made? We are profoundly connected across the globe to people we will never know, and we’re profoundly connected regionally by the path of our discards and the material flow of bringing those things into our life. But I think we’ve been taught to ignore those kinds of things. I don’t mean that we learned it in school, but as a cultural assumption that underlies contemporary life, those are not our concerns. So in conclusion, the issue goes far deeper than Jesus declaring pork clean or dirty. The issue goes to the very heart of our social intelligence or lack thereof. Edited by Phat, : sub titleChance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Phat Member Posts: 18345 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
China is a major importer of the worlds refuse. Im wondering how long a nation of a billion people will be a solution rather than a problem.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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frako Member (Idle past 333 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
We somehow think that when we throw stuff away it magically disappears. Well our waste is going to make us magically disappear, is that irony or a funny coincidence. Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.
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Phat Member Posts: 18345 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Is there any sort of trash/garbage problem in Slovenia? What does Europe do with its trash?
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Stile Member Posts: 4295 From: Ontario, Canada Joined:
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Phat writes: Im wondering how long a nation of a billion people will be a solution rather than a problem. A nation of a billion people is not a problem at all. The problem is a world of 8 billion+ people (eventually, anyway)... regardless of what nation they are a part of.As long as you (and I) are alive, we are as much a part of the problem as anyone else.
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Phat Member Posts: 18345 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
I don't know whether to deny pessimism and embrace optimism or whether I should simply accept reality. And reality says that there are some huge challenges for the human race in the next 50 years. The solutions will have to be far more creative and will need to make a big impact. Money alone won't fix these problems. Consensus and global resolve are needed...ironically one of the main things the fundamentalist Christians fear...a one world consensus and solution.
Is there any chance they may be right? Maybe...but it is clear that we dont have a choice. The world needs to attempt to unite to solve these problems before millions die....either by wars, disease,, or some other as yet unknown event. I wonder what sacrifices will have to be made? Edited by Phat, : No reason given.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Stile Member Posts: 4295 From: Ontario, Canada Joined: |
Phat writes: And reality says that there are some huge challenges for the human race in the next 50 years. If it makes you feel any better... there have always been "huge challenges for the human race in the next 50 years..." Some we handled well.Others... not so much. The solutions will have to be far more creative and will need to make a big impact. Money alone won't fix these problems. The point for us - those of us not really involved in the politics or the power games to 'make the actual decisions' - is to ensure that we don't ignore the power we do have. We do have the power not to ignore such problems.We do have the power to impose upon our leaders that such problems require solutions and we want solutions - we do not want to ignore them. The moment we begin to ignore the problems, and not do what we are capable of doing - we become part of the problem.
Consensus and global resolve are needed...ironically one of the main things the fundamentalist Christians fear...a one world consensus and solution. Perhaps. But, really, Christians shouldn't fear such a thing.It's like socialism... many Christians "fear socialism" when they shouldn't really fear such a thing. Yes... unrestricted, forced "socialism" for all problems and all issues is terrible. Christians (and everybody else) should fear such a thing, and fight against it.But this shouldn't stop people from identifying specific problems that are better solved using socialism and applying socialism in a limited fashion to deal with those specific problems. Yes... an unrestricted, forced "one world order" for all problems and all issues is terrible. Christians (and everybody else) should fear such a thing, and fight against it.But this shouldn't stop people from identifying specific problems that are better solved using a one world order and applying a one world order in a limited fashion to deal with those specific problems. I wonder what sacrifices will have to be made? Mostly some egos will need to be bruised.But don't worry, the ones that need to be bruised to solve such problems should really be bruised much more than this will do anyway.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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No society in the past has outlived the damage they did to their ecology.
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
A half-glass of water is the same reality whether you interpret it as half-full or half-empty. I don't know whether to deny pessimism and embrace optimism or whether I should simply accept reality.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8558 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
If it's wine instead of water then it's not a half-full/half-empty situation. There is just not enough wine in the glass.
Probably should get a bigger glass, too.
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Phat Member Posts: 18345 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
RAZD writes: If you had your life to live over again, would you do anything different? If you had a global soapbox and could say one message for humans, what would your message be? The human race is doomed to die of willful ignorance.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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frako Member (Idle past 333 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
We recycle some countries above 50% ours, about 35% and rising. But we do have a trash problem since china stopped buying our plastic waste its sorta been piling up waiting for it to be transported somewhere.
Just a few days ago i figured out that there are new rules to our waste collection because i dint get mine picked up. From now on i have to separate paper as well. Thing is i dunno if i have any waste that goes in to the mixed bag now. What i men't before is the whole of humanities waste including co2 that is going to make humanity disappear. Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.
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