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Author | Topic: California will rock (economically speaking) with single payer. Gavin Newsom in 2018! | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2423 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Look at the numbers.
Look at the facts. California will pay 100% of health care bills with a single payer ( cost controlled or no cost controls) type of plan. (Not even Canada and Europe have a plan with 100% of co-pays covered) The doctor and drug costs will be 100% covered and it would be unprecedented. The California health system gets around $200 billion already from the federal and state government, while the other $200 billion is paid by individuals, businesses and insurance companies. (I forget the exact amount but read the article) A wavier from the feds can allow the $200 billion to be put into a giant single payer pot with the state covering the other costs(think "free stuff" as individuals won't pay a thing). A $400 billion cost would require a 15% additional income tax if the state income tax is all that is considered open for an increase. (leaving out capital gains, sales taxes, property, hotel, snack, etc.) But what if cost controls were implemented (plus other tax options were considered)? The California Senate recently voted to pass a bill that would establish a single-payer healthcare system for the entire state.
quote: (I quoted the entire text incase it is somehow no longer available some day. The Wall Street Journal isn't required to show its Google hits for free anymore, and they now require a subscription to see any text.) (There were 4 hyper links in the first three paragraphs) This is Essential Politics, our daily look at California political and government news. Here's what we're watching right now: California lawmakers have tried for 50 years to stem the state's housing crisis. Here's why they've failed.Gov. Jerry Brown acted Tuesday to break up the scandal-plagued New Poll - 70% of Californians Support CA Medicare for All Bill | National Nurses United Study: Single-payer plan would save California $37 billion per year PERI - Economic Analysis of the Healthy California Single-Payer Health Care Proposal (SB-562) Now, what about that? A plan that would cost about 13% (lower) of the California GDP? Most funding come from the feds anyway. The cost controlled plan would require an income tax increase of 9% (again - if NO OTHER TAXES are raised among the myriad of other taxes in California), which would save businesses money and especially individuals. California is going to enter an economic golden age soon. Out with Jerry Brown and in with the supportive Lt Governor who is running for governor (I hope) in 2018. EDIT: I now think the cost would be lower than a flat 9% income tax as I think about the numbers. Been awhile since I had my actual issue of the paper, plus all the commentary in other big papers. Maybe more like 7%? (I hate many of the cost controls anyway, so whatever happens, I hope a national single payer bill lacks the controls) Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.
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AdminPhat Inactive Member |
Thread copied here from the California will rock (economically speaking) with single payer. Gavin Newsom in 2018! thread in the Proposed New Topics forum.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2423 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
New York has a similar program btw.
17 Democrats (out of 48) in the U.S. Senate support the Medicare For All single payer plan (which is NOT a "free stuff" plan). I have come around to supporting the 100% free coverage sort of plan. It is just the right thing to do (then we have to figure out how to pay for it all).
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2423 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2
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Way less than the almost 18% nationwide.
Heck. California can "show the way" as far as I am concerned. Nice if a Homeless Bill of Rights could happen too. Human rights for all from the Golden State. Time for an education from the left coast.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1432 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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New York has a similar program btw. I would like to see a consortium, with NY, MA, RI, CT, ME, NH, VT, etc all working together with a single payer plan Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Taq Member Posts: 10077 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
If this plan goes into effect, could we see a massive influx of sick people into California to take advantage of the system? How is California going to handle this? Countries that have single payer systems also have borders that they can control, but California won't have those controlled borders. Are you a retiree in Arizona that was just diagnosed with cancer? Move across the border to California and get free cancer treatment.
It is also interesting to note that California has the world's 7th or 8th largest economy. Countries with a smaller GDP than California are able to fund a single payer system, so it shouldn't be a problem from that standpoint.
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Phat Member Posts: 18343 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Nice if a Homeless Bill of Rights could happen too. The only detail is who is going to pay. If its not the rich people, it ain't gonna be anybody. Human rights for all from the Golden State. Edited by Phat, : No reason given.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
Since Americans pay twice as much as other nations for healthcare, the real question is: What are you going to do with all of the extra money?
The only detail is who is going to pay.
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Taq Member Posts: 10077 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Phat writes: The only detail is who is going to pay. If its not the rich people, it ain't gonna be anybody. Looks like it is going to be a combination of sales tax and a progressive income tax. It isn't going to be just the rich who are paying. The better question is who is paying for health care right now?
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1432 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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The only detail is who is going to pay. If its not the rich people, it ain't gonna be anybody. We already pay for healthcare, in a weird way -- through your employer via deductions from your paycheck (unless you are self insured). Why should your employer have a say in what kind of health insurance you get? We already pay more for healthcare than a single payer system would cost. (total taxes plus healthcare) > (total taxes including single payer healthcare) In other words you will have more disposable income. Enjoy by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Phat Member Posts: 18343 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Well right now I have a $500.00 yearly deductable and pay $20.00 a month. If they mess with it, I will likely spend more money.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
I pay nothing.
Well right now I have a $500.00 yearly deductable and pay $20.00 a month. If they mess with it, I will likely spend more money.
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Phat Member Posts: 18343 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
See? Why can't the US model their healthcare after Canadas? Would it work here or do we have too many sick old fogies like myself?
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith
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Taq Member Posts: 10077 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Phat writes: See? Why can't the US model their healthcare after Canadas? Would it work here or do we have too many sick old fogies like myself? It would probably require slashing the salaries of doctors and administrators, but yes, we could do it. Salaries for doctors (and probably adminstrators) in the US are about twice what they are in other first world countries. There is also the problem of the ratio between general practioners and specialists which is way out of whack in the US leading to higher health care costs. The baby boom happened in Canada as well, so I would suspect that their demographics are similar to ours here in the US.
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
It works everywhere else in the civilized world. It even works in Cuba. Would it work here or do we have too many sick old fogies like myself? (One of the things we're doing is welcoming a lot of new immigrants to pay the taxes.)
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