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09-12-2017 2:13 PM


Taking the basic information from the True knowledge exists in knowing that you know nothing thread, just my posts with links to the relevant posts in the thread.
This is an example of how science information changes as new information is added and corrections are made based on new evidence.
The purpose is to show that while changes, additions, deletions, modifications are made, the basic overall information remains the same, and what is changing is the fine details.
Enjoy

These are just the cladograms, with changes in orange from one to the next. See the messages referenced for details. Starting with the original from Palaeos.com
Message 109 (excerpt):
Archonta

└─Primates MH
├─Strepsirhini MH
│ ├─Lorisiformes
│ └─Lemuriformes
│ ├─Indrioidea MH
│ └─Lemuroidea
└─┬─Adapiformes X
└─┬─Darwinius X
└─Haplorhini
├─Tarsiiformes MH
└─Anthropoidea MH
├─Platyrrhini ToL
└─Catarrhini
├─Cercopithecidae
└─Hominoidea MH
├─Proconsul X
└─┬─Kenyapithecus X
└─┬─Hylobatidae
└─Hominidae
├─Dryopithecus X
└─┬─Pierolapithecus X
└─┬─Ponginae
│ ╞═Sivapithecus X
│ ├─Gigantopithecus X
│ └─Pongo
└─Homininae
├─Samburupithecus X
├─Nakalipithecus X
└─┬─Gorillini
│ ├─Chororapithecus X
│ └─Gorilla
└─┬─Sahelanthropus X
└─┬─Pan
└─Hominini
├─Ardipithecus X
└─┬─Australopithecus afarensis X
├?─Paranthropus aethiopicus (if descended from A afarensis) X
└─┬─Australopithecus africanus X
└─┬─Paranthropus X
│ ├?─Paranthropus aethiopicus X
│ └─┬─Paranthropus robustus X
│ └─Paranthropus boisei X
└─┬─Kenyanthropus X
└─Homo
├─Homo habilis X
╘═╤═Homo erectus X
│ └─Homo floresiensis X
╘═╤═Homo heidelbergensis X
└─┬─Homo neanderthalensis X
└─Homo sapiens
Message 135 (excerpt):
Archonta

└─Primates MH
├─Strepsirhini MH
│ ├─Lorisiformes
│ └─Lemuriformes
│ ├─Indrioidea MH
│ └─Lemuroidea
└─┬─Adapiformes X
└─┬─Darwinius X
└─Haplorhini
├─Tarsiiformes MH
└─Anthropoidea MH
├─Platyrrhini ToL
└─Catarrhini
├─Cercopithecidae (baboon)
└─Hominoidea MH
├─Proconsul X
└─┬─Kenyapithecus X
└─┬─Hylobatidae (gibbons)
└─Hominidae Hominoidae
├─Dryopithecus X
└─┬─Pierolapithecus X
└─┬─Ponginae
│ ╞═Sivapithecus X
│ ├─Gigantopithecus X
│ └─Pongo (orangutans)
└─Homininae Hominidae
├─Samburupithecus X
├─Nakalipithecus X
└─┬─Gorillini
│ ├─Chororapithecus X
│ └─Gorilla (gorillas)
└─┬─Sahelanthropus X
└─Homininae
└─┬─Panini
│ └─┬─Pan troglodytes (chimpanzee)
│ └─Pan paniscus (bonobos)

└─Hominini
├─Ardipithecus X
└─┬─Australopithecus afarensis X
├?─Paranthropus aethiopicus (if descended from A afarensis) X
└─┬─Australopithecus africanus X
└─┬─Paranthropus X
│ ├?─Paranthropus aethiopicus X
│ └─┬─Paranthropus robustus X
│ └─Paranthropus boisei X
└─┬─Kenyanthropus X
└─Homo
├─Homo habilis X
╘═╤═Homo erectus X
│ └─Homo floresiensis X
╘═╤═Homo heidelbergensis X
└─┬─Homo neanderthalensis X
└─Homo sapiens
Message 138 (excerpt):
Archonta

└─Primates MH
├─Strepsirhini MH
│ ├─Lorisiformes
│ └─Lemuriformes
│ ├─Indrioidea MH
│ └─Lemuroidea
└─┬─Adapiformes X
└─┬─Darwinius X
└─Haplorhini
├─Tarsiiformes MH
└─Anthropoidea MH
├─Platyrrhini ToL
└─Catarrhini
├─Cercopithecidae (baboon)
└─Hominoidea MH
├─Proconsul X
└─┬─Kenyapithecus X
└─┬─Hylobatidae (gibbons)
└─Hominidae? Hominoidae?
├─Dryopithecus X
└─┬─Pierolapithecus X
└─┬─Ponginae
│ ╞═Sivapithecus X
│ ├─Gigantopithecus X
│ └─Pongo (orangutans)
└─Homininae? Hominidae
├─Samburupithecus X
├─Nakalipithecus X
└─┬─Gorillini
│ ├─Chororapithecus X
│ └─Gorilla (gorillas)
└─Homininae
└─┬─Panini
│ └─┬─Pan troglodytes (chimpanzee)
│ └─Pan paniscus (bonobos)
└─Hominini
└─┬─Sahelanthropus X
├─Orrorin tugenensis

├─Ardipithecus X
└─┬─Australopithecus afarensis X
├?─Paranthropus aethiopicus (if descended from A afarensis) X
├─Australopithecus garhi X

└─┬─Australopithecus africanus X
└─┬─Paranthropus X
│ ├?─Paranthropus aethiopicus X
│ └─┬─Paranthropus robustus X
│ └─Paranthropus boisei X
└─┬─Kenyanthropus X
└─Homo
├─Homo habilis X
╘═╤═Homo erectus X
│ └─Homo floresiensis X
╘═╤═Homo heidelbergensis X
└─┬─Homo neanderthalensis X
└─Homo sapiens
Message 143 (excerpt):
Archonta

└─Primates MH
├─Strepsirhini MH
│ ├─Lorisiformes
│ └─Lemuriformes
│ ├─Indrioidea MH
│ └─Lemuroidea
└─┬─Adapiformes X
└─┬─Darwinius X
└─Haplorhini
├─Tarsiiformes MH
└─Anthropoidea MH
├─Platyrrhini ToL
└─Catarrhini
├─Cercopithecidae (baboon)
└─Hominoidea MH Hominoidae (superfamily)

├─Proconsul X
└─┬─Kenyapithecus X
└─┬─Hylobatidae (gibbons)
└─Hominidae (family)
├─Dryopithecus X
└─┬─Pierolapithecus X
└─┬─Ponginae (family)

│ ╞═Sivapithecus X
│ ├─Gigantopithecus X
│ └─Pongo (orangutans)
└─Homininae (subfamily)

├─Samburupithecus X
├─Nakalipithecus X
└─┬─Gorillini (tribe)
│ ├─Chororapithecus X
│ └─Gorilla (gorillas)
└─Hominini (tribe)

└─┬─Panina (subtribe)
│ └─┬─Pan troglodytes (chimpanzee)
│ └─Pan paniscus (bonobos)
└─Hominini Hominina (subtribe)

└─┬─Sahelanthropus X
├─Orrorin tugenensis
├─Ardipithecus X
└─┬─Australopithecus afarensis X
├?─Paranthropus aethiopicus (if descended from A afarensis) X
├─Australopithecus garhi X
└─┬─Australopithecus africanus X
└─┬─Paranthropus X
│ ├?─Paranthropus aethiopicus X
│ └─┬─Paranthropus robustus X
│ └─Paranthropus boisei X
└─┬─Kenyanthropus X
└─Homo
├─Homo habilis X
╘═╤═Homo erectus X
│ └─Homo floresiensis X
╘═╤═Homo heidelbergensis X
└─┬─Homo neanderthalensis X
└─Homo sapiens
Message 144 (excerpt):
Archonta

└─Primates MH
├─Strepsirhini MH
│ ├─Lorisiformes
│ └─Lemuriformes
│ ├─Indrioidea MH
│ └─Lemuroidea
└─┬─Adapiformes X
└─┬─Darwinius X
└─Haplorhini
├─Tarsiiformes MH
└─Anthropoidea MH
├─Platyrrhini ToL
└─Catarrhini
├─Cercopithecidae (baboon)
└─Hominoidae (superfamily)
├─Proconsul X
└─┬─Kenyapithecus X
└─┬─Hylobatidae (gibbons)
└─Hominidae (family)
├─Dryopithecus X
└─┬─Pierolapithecus X
└─┬─Ponginae (family)
│ ╞═Sivapithecus X
│ ├─Gigantopithecus X
│ └─Pongo (orangutans)
└─Homininae (subfamily)
├─Samburupithecus X
├─Nakalipithecus X
└─┬─Gorillini (tribe)
│ ├─Chororapithecus X
│ └─Gorilla (gorillas)
└─Hominini (tribe)

└─┬?─Sahelanthropus X (possible common ancestor)
├─Panina (subtribe)

│ └─┬─Pan troglodytes (chimpanzee)
│ └─Pan paniscus (bonobos)
└─Hominina (subtribe)

├─Orrorin tugenensis
├─Ardipithecus X
└─┬─Australopithecus afarensis X
├?─Paranthropus aethiopicus (if descended from A afarensis) X
├─Australopithecus garhi X
└─┬─Australopithecus africanus X
└─┬─Paranthropus X
│ ├?─Paranthropus aethiopicus X
│ └─┬─Paranthropus robustus X
│ └─Paranthropus boisei X
└─┬─Kenyanthropus X
└─Homo
├─Homo habilis X
╘═╤═Homo erectus X
│ └─Homo floresiensis X
╘═╤═Homo heidelbergensis X
└─┬─Homo neanderthalensis X
└─Homo sapiens
Message 145 (excerpt):
Archonta

└─Primates MH
├─Strepsirhini MH
│ ├─Lorisiformes
│ └─Lemuriformes
│ ├─Indrioidea MH
│ └─Lemuroidea
└─┬─Adapiformes X
└─┬─Darwinius X
└─Haplorhini
├─Tarsiiformes MH
└─Anthropoidea MH
├─Platyrrhini ToL
└─Catarrhini
├─Cercopithecidae
│ └─Papionini (baboons)
│ ├─Papio hamadryas
│ ├─Papio papio
│ ├─Papio anubis
│ ├─Papio cynocephalus
│ └─Papio ursinus

└─Hominoidae (superfamily)
├─Proconsul X
└─┬─Kenyapithecus X
└─┬─Hylobatidae(gibbons)
│ ├─Hylobates
│ │ ├─Hylobates lar
│ │ ├─Hylobates agilis
│ │ ├─Hylobates albibarbis
│ │ ├─Hylobates muelleri
│ │ ├─Hylobates moloch
│ │ ├─Hylobates pileatus
│ │ └─Hylobates klossii
│ ├─Hoolock
│ │ ├─Hoolock hoolock
│ │ ├─Hoolock leuconedys
│ │ └─Hoolock tianxing
│ ├─Nomascus
│ │ ├─Nomascus concolor
│ │ ├─Nomascus gabriellae
│ │ ├─Nomascus leucogenys
│ │ └─Nomascus nasutus
│ └─Symphalangus
│ └─Symphalangus syndactylus

└─Hominidae (family)
├─Dryopithecus X
└─┬─Pierolapithecus X
└─┬─Ponginae (family)
│ ╞═Sivapithecus X
│ ├─Gigantopithecus X
│ └─Pongo (orangutans)
│ ├─Pongo borneo
│ ├─Pongo pygmaeus
│ ├─Pongo abelii
│ └─Pongo hooijeri

└─Homininae (subfamily)
├─Samburupithecus X
├─Nakalipithecus X
└─┬─Gorillini (tribe)
│ ├─Chororapithecus X
│ └─Gorilla (gorillas)
│ ├─Gorilla gorilla
│ └─Gorilla beringei
└─Hominini (tribe)
└─┬?─Sahelanthropus X (possible common ancestor)
├─Panina (subtribe)
│ └─┬─Pan troglodytes (chimpanzee)
│ └─Pan paniscus (bonobos)
└─Hominina (subtribe)
├─Orrorin tugenensis
├─Ardipithecus X
└─┬─Australopithecus afarensis X
├?─Paranthropus aethiopicus (if descended from A afarensis) X
├─Australopithecus garhi X
└─┬─Australopithecus africanus X
└─┬─Paranthropus X
│ ├?─Paranthropus aethiopicus X
│ └─┬─Paranthropus robustus X
│ └─Paranthropus boisei X
└─┬─Kenyanthropus X
└─Homo
├─Homo habilis X
╘═╤═Homo erectus X
│ └─Homo floresiensis X
╘═╤═Homo heidelbergensis X
└─┬─Homo neanderthalensis X
└─Homo sapiens
Message 147 (excerpt):
Archonta

└─Primates MH
└─Strepsirhini MH
├─Lorisiformes
├─Lemuriformes
│ ├─Indrioidea MH
│ └─Lemuroidea
├─Adapiformes X
│ └─Darwinius X
└─Haplorhini
├─Tarsiiformes MH
└─Simiiformes (or Anthropoidea)
├─Platyrrhini ToL
└─Catarrhini
├─Cercopithecidae
│ └─Papionini (baboons)
│ ├─Papio hamadryas
│ ├─Papio papio
│ ├─Papio anubis
│ ├─Papio cynocephalus
│ └─Papio ursinus
└─Hominoidea (superfamily)
├─Proconsul X
└─┬─Kenyapithecus X
└─┬─Hylobatidae(gibbons)
│ ├─Hylobates
│ │ ├─Hylobates lar
│ │ ├─Hylobates agilis
│ │ ├─Hylobates albibarbis
│ │ ├─Hylobates muelleri
│ │ ├─Hylobates moloch
│ │ ├─Hylobates pileatus
│ │ └─Hylobates klossii
│ ├─Hoolock
│ │ ├─Hoolock hoolock
│ │ ├─Hoolock leuconedys
│ │ └─Hoolock tianxing
│ ├─Nomascus
│ │ ├─Nomascus concolor
│ │ ├─Nomascus gabriellae
│ │ ├─Nomascus leucogenys
│ │ └─Nomascus nasutus
│ └─Symphalangus
│ └─Symphalangus syndactylus
└─Hominidae (family)
├─Dryopithecus X
└─┬─Pierolapithecus X
└─┬─Ponginae (family)
│ ╞═Sivapithecus X
│ ├─Gigantopithecus X
│ └─Pongo (orangutans)
│ ├─Pongo borneo
│ ├─Pongo pygmaeus
│ ├─Pongo abelii
│ └─Pongo hooijeri
└─Homininae (subfamily)
├─Samburupithecus X
├─Nakalipithecus X
└─┬─Gorillini (tribe)
│ ├─Chororapithecus X
│ └─Gorilla (gorillas)
│ ├─Gorilla gorilla
│ └─Gorilla beringei
└─Hominini (tribe)
└─┬?─Sahelanthropus X (possible common ancestor)
├─Panina (subtribe)
│ └─┬─Pan troglodytes (chimpanzee)
│ └─Pan paniscus (bonobos)
└─Hominina (subtribe)
├─Orrorin tugenensis
├─Ardipithecus X
└─┬─Australopithecus afarensis X
├?─Paranthropus aethiopicus (if descended from A afarensis) X
├─Australopithecus garhi X
└─┬─Australopithecus africanus X
└─┬─Paranthropus X
│ ├?─Paranthropus aethiopicus X
│ └─┬─Paranthropus robustus X
│ └─Paranthropus boisei X
└─┬─Kenyanthropus X
└─Homo
├─Homo habilis X
╘═╤═Homo erectus X
│ └─Homo floresiensis X
╘═╤═Homo heidelbergensis X
└─┬─Homo neanderthalensis X
└─Homo sapiens
Message 148 (excerpt):
Archonta

└─Primates MH
└─Strepsirhini MH
├─Lorisiformes
├─Lemuriformes
│ ├─Indrioidea MH
│ └─Lemuroidea
├─Adapiformes X
│ └─Darwinius X
└─Haplorhini
├─Tarsiiformes MH
└─Simiiformes (or Anthropoidea)
├─Platyrrhini ToL
└─Catarrhini
├─Cercopithecidae
│ └─Papionini (baboons)
│ ├─Papio hamadryas
│ ├─Papio papio
│ ├─Papio anubis
│ ├─Papio cynocephalus
│ └─Papio ursinus
└─Hominoidea (superfamily)
├─Proconsul X
└─┬─Kenyapithecus X
└─┬─Hylobatidae (gibbons)
│ ├─Hylobates
│ │ ├─Hylobates lar
│ │ ├─Hylobates agilis
│ │ ├─Hylobates albibarbis
│ │ ├─Hylobates muelleri
│ │ ├─Hylobates moloch
│ │ ├─Hylobates pileatus
│ │ └─Hylobates klossii
│ ├─Hoolock
│ │ ├─Hoolock hoolock
│ │ ├─Hoolock leuconedys
│ │ └─Hoolock tianxing
│ ├─Nomascus
│ │ ├─Nomascus concolor
│ │ ├─Nomascus gabriellae
│ │ ├─Nomascus leucogenys
│ │ └─Nomascus nasutus
│ └─Symphalangus
│ └─Symphalangus syndactylus
└─Hominidae (family)
├─Dryopithecus X
└─┬─Pierolapithecus X
└─┬─Ponginae (family)
│ ╞═Sivapithecus X
│ ├─Gigantopithecus X
│ └─Pongo (orangutans)
│ ├─Pongo borneo
│ ├─Pongo pygmaeus
│ ├─Pongo abelii
│ └─Pongo hooijeri
└─Homininae (subfamily)
├─Samburupithecus X
├─Nakalipithecus X
└─┬─Gorillini (tribe)
│ ├─Chororapithecus X
│ └─Gorilla (gorillas)
│ ├─Gorilla gorilla
│ └─Gorilla beringei
└─Hominini (tribe)
└─┬?─Sahelanthropus X (possible common ancestor)
├─Panina (subtribe)
│ └─┬─Pan troglodytes (chimpanzee)
│ └─Pan paniscus (bonobos)
└─Hominina (subtribe)
├─Orrorin tugenensis
├─Ardipithecus X
└─┬─Australopithecus afarensis X
└?─Paranthropus aethiopicus (if descended from A afarensis) X
├─Australopithecus garhi X
└─┬─Australopithecus africanus X
└─┬─Paranthropus X
│ ├?─Paranthropus aethiopicus X (alternate location)
│ └─┬─Paranthropus robustus X
│ └─Paranthropus boisei X
└─┬─Kenyanthropus X
└─Homo
├─Homo habilis X
╘═╤═Homo erectus X
│ └─Homo floresiensis X
╘═╤═Homo heidelbergensis X
└─┬─Homo neanderthalensis X
└─Homo sapiens

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 Message 2 by RAZD, posted 09-12-2017 2:23 PM RAZD has replied

  
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Message 2 of 9 (819548)
09-12-2017 2:23 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by RAZD
09-12-2017 2:13 PM


adding more bush branches
Adding in information from Caffeine Message 150, work in progress:
Note on symbols used:
└─┬─A
└─B
A and B are sister clades with a common ancestor, and an equivalent cladogram would be
└─┬─B
└─A
while
└─A
└─B
shows A is a parent clade and B is a daughter (nested) clade
Archonta

└─Primates MH
└─Strepsirhini MH
├─Lorisiformes
├─Lemuriformes
│ ├─Indrioidea MH
│ └─Lemuroidea
├─Adapiformes X
│ └─Darwinius X
└─Haplorhini
├─Tarsiiformes MH
└─Simiiformes (or Anthropoidea)
├─Platyrrhini ToL
└─Catarrhini
├─Cercopithecidae
│ ├─Cercopithecini
│ │ ├─Allenopithecus nigroviridis
│ │ ├─┬─Miopithecus talapoin
│ │ │ └─Miopithecus ogouensis
│ │ ├─Erythrocebus patas
│ │ ├─┬─Chlorocebus sabaeus
│ │ │ ├─Chlorocebus aethiops
│ │ │ ├─Chlorocebus djamdjamensis
│ │ │ ├─Chlorocebus tantalus (3 varieties)
│ │ │ ├─Chlorocebus pygerythrus
│ │ │ └─Chlorocebus cynosuros
│ │ └─┬─Cercopithecus dryas
│ │ ├─┬─Cercopithecus diana
│ │ │ └─Cercopithecus roloway
│ │ ├─┬─Cercopithecus nictitans (2 varieties)
│ │ │ ├─Cercopithecus mitis
│ │ │ ├─Cercopithecus doggetti
│ │ │ ├─Cercopithecus kandti
│ │ │ └─Cercopithecus albogularis (12 varieties)
│ │ ├─┬─Cercopithecus mona
│ │ │ ├─Cercopithecus campbelli
│ │ │ ├─Cercopithecus lowei
│ │ │ ├─Cercopithecus pogonias (4 varieties)
│ │ │ ├─Cercopithecus wolfi (2 varieties)
│ │ │ └─Cercopithecus denti
│ │ ├─┬─Cercopithecus petaurista (2 varieties)
│ │ │ ├─Cercopithecus erythrogaster
│ │ │ ├─Cercopithecus erythrotis (2 varieties)
│ │ │ ├─Cercopithecus cephus (3 varieties)
│ │ │ └─Cercopithecus ascanius (5 varieties)
│ │ ├─┬─Cercopithecus lhoesti
│ │ │ ├─Cercopithecus preussi
│ │ │ └─Cercopithecus solatus
│ │ ├─┬─Cercopithecus hamlyni (2 varieties)
│ │ │ └─Cercopithecus lomamiensis
│ │ └─Cercopithecus neglectus

│ └─Papionini
│ └─┬─Macaca (macaques)
│ │ ├─Macaca anderssoni
│ │ ├─Macaca jiangchuanensis
│ │ ├─Macaca libyca
│ │ ├─Macaca majori
│ │ ├─Macaca sylvanus
│ │ ├─┬─Macaca nemestrina
│ │ │ ├─Macaca silenus
│ │ │ ├─Macaca leonina
│ │ │ ├─Macaca pagensis
│ │ │ ├─Macaca siberu
│ │ │ ├─Macaca maura
│ │ │ ├─Macaca ochreata
│ │ │ ├─Macaca tonkeana
│ │ │ ├─Macaca hecki
│ │ │ ├─Macaca nigrescens
│ │ │ └─Macaca nigra
│ │ ├─┬─Macaca fascicularis
│ │ │ └─Macaca arctoides
│ │ └─┬─Macaca mulatta
│ │ ├─Macaca cyclopis
│ │ ├─Macaca fuscata
│ │ ├─sinica group
│ │ ├─Macaca sinica
│ │ ├─Macaca radiata
│ │ ├─Macaca assamensis
│ │ ├─Macaca thibetana
│ │ ├─Macaca munzala
│ │ └─Macaca leucogenys
│ ├─┬─Lophocebus albigena
│ │ ├─Lophocebus aterrimus
│ │ ├─Lophocebus opdenboschi
│ │ ├─Lophocebus ugandae
│ │ ├─Lophocebus johnstoni
│ │ └─Lophocebus osmani
│ ├─Rungwecebus kipunji
│ ├─┬─
Papio hamadryas
│ │ ├─Papio papio
│ │ ├─Papio anubis
│ │ ├─Papio cynocephalus
│ │ └─Papio ursinus
│ ├─Theropithecus gelada
│ ├─┬─Cercocebus atys
│ │ ├─Cercocebus torquatus
│ │ ├─Cercocebus agilis
│ │ ├─Cercocebus chrysogaster
│ │ ├─Cercocebus galeritus
│ │ └─Cercocebus sanjei
│ └─┬─Mandrillus sphinx
│ └─Mandrillus leucophaeus
├─Colobinae
│ ├─Colobini
│ │ ├─┬─Colobus satanas
│ │ │ ├─Colobus angolensis
│ │ │ ├─Colobus polykomos
│ │ │ ├─Colobus vellerosus
│ │ │ └─Colobus guereza
│ │ ├─┬─Piliocolobus badius
│ │ │ ├─Piliocolobus pennantii
│ │ │ ├─Piliocolobus preussi
│ │ │ ├─Piliocolobus tholloni
│ │ │ ├─Piliocolobus foai
│ │ │ ├─Piliocolobus epieni
│ │ │ ├─Piliocolobus tephrosceles
│ │ │ ├─Piliocolobus gordonorum
│ │ │ ├─Piliocolobus kirkii
│ │ │ └─Piliocolobus rufomitratus
│ │ └─Procolobus verus
│ ├─Langurs
│ │ ├─┬─Semnopithecus schistaceus
│ │ │ ├─Semnopithecus ajax
│ │ │ ├─Semnopithecus hector
│ │ │ ├─Semnopithecus entellus
│ │ │ ├─Semnopithecus hypoleucos
│ │ │ ├─Semnopithecus dussumieri
│ │ │ └─Semnopithecus priam
│ │ ├─┬─┬─Trachypithecus vetulus
│ │ │ │ └─Trachypithecus johnii
│ │ │ ├─┬─Trachypithecus auratus
│ │ │ │ ├─Trachypithecus cristatus
│ │ │ │ ├─Trachypithecus germaini
│ │ │ │ └─Trachypithecus barbei
│ │ │ ├─┬─Trachypithecus obscurus
│ │ │ │ └─Trachypithecus phayrei
│ │ │ ├─┬─Trachypithecus pileatus
│ │ │ │ ├─Trachypithecus shortridgei
│ │ │ │ └─Trachypithecus geei
│ │ │ └─┬─Trachypithecus francoisi
│ │ │ ├─Trachypithecus hatinhensis
│ │ │ ├─Trachypithecus poliocephalus
│ │ │ ├─Trachypithecus laotum
│ │ │ ├─Trachypithecus delacouri
│ │ │ └─Trachypithecus ebenus
│ │ └─┬─Presbytis melalophos
│ │ ├─Presbytis femoralis
│ │ ├─Presbytis chrysomelas
│ │ ├─Presbytis siamensis
│ │ ├─Presbytis frontata
│ │ ├─Presbytis comata
│ │ ├─Presbytis thomasi
│ │ ├─Presbytis hosei
│ │ ├─Presbytis rubicunda
│ │ ├─Presbytis potenziani
│ │ └─Presbytis femoralis
│ └─Odd Nosed Group
│ ├─┬─Pygathrix nemaeus
│ │ ├─Pygathrix nigripes
│ │ └─Pygathrix cinerea
│ ├─┬─Rhinopithecus roxellana
│ │ ├─Rhinopithecus bieti
│ │ ├─Rhinopithecus brelichi
│ │ ├─Rhinopithecus avunculus
│ │ └─Rhinopithecus strykeri
│ ├─Nasalis larvatus
│ ├─Simias concolor
│ └─┬─Mesopithecus monspessulanu
│ └─Mesopithecus pentelici

└─Hominoidea (superfamily)
├─Proconsul X
└─┬─Kenyapithecus X
└─┬─Hylobatidae (gibbons)
│ ├─Hylobates
│ │ ├─Hylobates lar
│ │ ├─Hylobates agilis
│ │ ├─Hylobates albibarbis
│ │ ├─Hylobates muelleri
│ │ ├─Hylobates moloch
│ │ ├─Hylobates pileatus
│ │ └─Hylobates klossii
│ ├─Hoolock
│ │ ├─Hoolock hoolock
│ │ ├─Hoolock leuconedys
│ │ └─Hoolock tianxing
│ ├─Nomascus
│ │ ├─Nomascus concolor
│ │ ├─Nomascus gabriellae
│ │ ├─Nomascus leucogenys
│ │ └─Nomascus nasutus
│ └─Symphalangus
│ └─Symphalangus syndactylus
└─Hominidae (family)
├─Dryopithecus X
└─┬─Pierolapithecus X
└─┬─Ponginae (family)
│ ╞═Sivapithecus X
│ ├─Gigantopithecus X
│ └─Pongo (orangutans)
│ ├─Pongo borneo
│ ├─Pongo pygmaeus
│ ├─Pongo abelii
│ └─Pongo hooijeri
└─Homininae (subfamily)
├─Samburupithecus X
├─Nakalipithecus X
└─┬─Gorillini (tribe)
│ ├─Chororapithecus X
│ └─Gorilla (gorillas)
│ ├─Gorilla gorilla
│ └─Gorilla beringei
└─Hominini (tribe)
└─┬?─Sahelanthropus X (possible common ancestor)
├─Panina (subtribe)
│ └─┬─Pan troglodytes (chimpanzee)
│ └─Pan paniscus (bonobos)
└─Hominina (subtribe)
├─Orrorin tugenensis
├─Ardipithecus X
└─┬─Australopithecus afarensis X
│ └?─Paranthropus aethiopicus (if descended from A afarensis) X
├─Australopithecus garhi X
└─┬─Australopithecus africanus X
└─┬─Paranthropus X
│ ├?─Paranthropus aethiopicus X (alternate location)
│ └─┬─Paranthropus robustus X
│ └─Paranthropus boisei X
└─┬─Kenyanthropus X
└─Homo
├─Homo habilis X
╘═╤═Homo erectus X
│ └─Homo floresiensis X
╘═╤═Homo heidelbergensis X
└─┬─Homo neanderthalensis X
└─Homo sapiens
This covers the living species, extinct species will need to be added.
Plus primates in the

├─Lorisiformes
├─Lemuriformes
│ ├─Indrioidea
│ └─Lemuroidea
├─Adapiformes
│ └─Darwinius
└─Haplorhini
├─Tarsiiformes
clades.
Only the left-most path leads from Archonta to Homo sapiens, this is our ancestral lineage. All other branches lead to other species, living and extinct, and thus this does not show a "chain of life" with all evolution leading to man.
This also shows the pattern of nested clades that is predicted by the Theory of Evolution.
Enjoy
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Adding Lorisiformes -- bushbabies -- to the bush
Let me start by saying I had no idea how many different families, genera and species there were of bushbabies.
Adding the Lorisiformes:
Archonta

└─Primates MH
└─Strepsirhini MH
├─Lorisiformes
│ └─Lorisoidea
│ ├─Galagidae
│ │ ├─Euoticus
│ │ │ ├─Euoticus elegantulus
│ │ │ └─Euoticus pallidus (2 varieties)
│ │ ├─Galago
│ │ │ ├─Galago matschiei
│ │ │ ├─Galago senegalensis (4 varieties)
│ │ │ ├─Galago moholi (2 varieties)
│ │ │ └─Galago gallarum
│ │ ├─Galagoides
│ │ │ ├─Galagoides demidovii v
│ │ │ ├─Galagoides granti
│ │ │ ├─Galagoides orinus v
│ │ │ ├─Galagoides rondoensis v
│ │ │ ├─Galagoides thomasi v
│ │ │ ├─Galagoides zanzibaricus (2 varieties)
│ │ │ ├─Galagoides cocos
│ │ │ ├─Galagoides nyasae
│ │ │ └─Galagoides kumbirensis)
│ │ ├─Otolemur
│ │ │ ├─Otolemur crassicaudatus (2 varieties)
│ │ │ ├─Otolemur monteiri (2 varieties)
│ │ │ └─Otolemur garnettii (4 varieties
│ │ └─Sciurocheirus
│ │ ├─Sciurocheirus alleni v
│ │ ├─Sciurocheirus gabonensis v
│ │ ├─Sciurocheirus cameronensis v
│ │ └─Sciurocheirus makandensis
│ └─Lorisidae
│ ├─Perodicticinae
│ │ ├─Arctocebus
│ │ │ ├─Arctocebus calabarensis
│ │ │ └─Arctocebus aureus
│ │ ├─Perodicticus
│ │ │ └─Perodicticus potto
│ │ └─Pseudopotto
│ │ └─Pseudopotto martini
│ └─Lorisinae
│ ├─Loris
│ │ ├─Loris tardigradus
│ │ └─Loris lydekkerianus
│ └─Nycticebus
│ ├─Nycticebus coucang
│ ├─Nycticebus javanicus
│ ├─Nycticebus bengalensis
│ ├─Nycticebus pygmaeus
│ ├─Nycticebus menagensis
│ ├─Nycticebus bancanus
│ ├─Nycticebus borneanus
│ ├─Nycticebus kayan
│ └?─Nycticebus linglom (fossil tooth)

├─Lemuriformes
│ ├─Indrioidea MH
│ └─Lemuroidea
├─Adapiformes X
│ └─Darwinius X
└─Haplorhini
├─Tarsiiformes MH
└─Simiiformes (or Anthropoidea)
├─Platyrrhini ToL
└─Catarrhini
├─Cercopithecidae
│ ├─Cercopithecini
│ │ ├─Allenopithecus nigroviridis
│ │ ├─┬─Miopithecus talapoin
│ │ │ └─Miopithecus ogouensis
│ │ ├─Erythrocebus patas
│ │ ├─┬─Chlorocebus sabaeus
│ │ │ ├─Chlorocebus aethiops
│ │ │ ├─Chlorocebus djamdjamensis
│ │ │ ├─Chlorocebus tantalus (3 varieties)
│ │ │ ├─Chlorocebus pygerythrus
│ │ │ └─Chlorocebus cynosuros
│ │ └─┬─Cercopithecus dryas
│ │ ├─┬─Cercopithecus diana
│ │ │ └─Cercopithecus roloway
│ │ ├─┬─Cercopithecus nictitans (2 varieties)
│ │ │ ├─Cercopithecus mitis
│ │ │ ├─Cercopithecus doggetti
│ │ │ ├─Cercopithecus kandti
│ │ │ └─Cercopithecus albogularis (12 varieties)
│ │ ├─┬─Cercopithecus mona
│ │ │ ├─Cercopithecus campbelli
│ │ │ ├─Cercopithecus lowei
│ │ │ ├─Cercopithecus pogonias (4 varieties)
│ │ │ ├─Cercopithecus wolfi (2 varieties)
│ │ │ └─Cercopithecus denti
│ │ ├─┬─Cercopithecus petaurista (2 varieties)
│ │ │ ├─Cercopithecus erythrogaster
│ │ │ ├─Cercopithecus erythrotis (2 varieties)
│ │ │ ├─Cercopithecus cephus (3 varieties)
│ │ │ └─Cercopithecus ascanius (5 varieties)
│ │ ├─┬─Cercopithecus lhoesti
│ │ │ ├─Cercopithecus preussi
│ │ │ └─Cercopithecus solatus
│ │ ├─┬─Cercopithecus hamlyni (2 varieties)
│ │ │ └─Cercopithecus lomamiensis
│ │ └─Cercopithecus neglectus
│ └─Papionini
│ └─┬─Macaca (macaques)
│ │ ├─Macaca anderssoni
│ │ ├─Macaca jiangchuanensis
│ │ ├─Macaca libyca
│ │ ├─Macaca majori
│ │ ├─Macaca sylvanus
│ │ ├─┬─Macaca nemestrina
│ │ │ ├─Macaca silenus
│ │ │ ├─Macaca leonina
│ │ │ ├─Macaca pagensis
│ │ │ ├─Macaca siberu
│ │ │ ├─Macaca maura
│ │ │ ├─Macaca ochreata
│ │ │ ├─Macaca tonkeana
│ │ │ ├─Macaca hecki
│ │ │ ├─Macaca nigrescens
│ │ │ └─Macaca nigra
│ │ ├─┬─Macaca fascicularis
│ │ │ └─Macaca arctoides
│ │ └─┬─Macaca mulatta
│ │ ├─Macaca cyclopis
│ │ ├─Macaca fuscata
│ │ ├─sinica group
│ │ ├─Macaca sinica
│ │ ├─Macaca radiata
│ │ ├─Macaca assamensis
│ │ ├─Macaca thibetana
│ │ ├─Macaca munzala
│ │ └─Macaca leucogenys
│ ├─┬─Lophocebus albigena
│ │ ├─Lophocebus aterrimus
│ │ ├─Lophocebus opdenboschi
│ │ ├─Lophocebus ugandae
│ │ ├─Lophocebus johnstoni
│ │ └─Lophocebus osmani
│ ├─Rungwecebus kipunji
│ ├─┬─Papio hamadryas
│ │ ├─Papio papio
│ │ ├─Papio anubis
│ │ ├─Papio cynocephalus
│ │ └─Papio ursinus
│ ├─Theropithecus gelada
│ ├─┬─Cercocebus atys
│ │ ├─Cercocebus torquatus
│ │ ├─Cercocebus agilis
│ │ ├─Cercocebus chrysogaster
│ │ ├─Cercocebus galeritus
│ │ └─Cercocebus sanjei
│ └─┬─Mandrillus sphinx
│ └─Mandrillus leucophaeus
├─Colobinae
│ ├─Colobini
│ │ ├─┬─Colobus satanas
│ │ │ ├─Colobus angolensis
│ │ │ ├─Colobus polykomos
│ │ │ ├─Colobus vellerosus
│ │ │ └─Colobus guereza
│ │ ├─┬─Piliocolobus badius
│ │ │ ├─Piliocolobus pennantii
│ │ │ ├─Piliocolobus preussi
│ │ │ ├─Piliocolobus tholloni
│ │ │ ├─Piliocolobus foai
│ │ │ ├─Piliocolobus epieni
│ │ │ ├─Piliocolobus tephrosceles
│ │ │ ├─Piliocolobus gordonorum
│ │ │ ├─Piliocolobus kirkii
│ │ │ └─Piliocolobus rufomitratus
│ │ └─Procolobus verus
│ ├─Langurs
│ │ ├─┬─Semnopithecus schistaceus
│ │ │ ├─Semnopithecus ajax
│ │ │ ├─Semnopithecus hector
│ │ │ ├─Semnopithecus entellus
│ │ │ ├─Semnopithecus hypoleucos
│ │ │ ├─Semnopithecus dussumieri
│ │ │ └─Semnopithecus priam
│ │ ├─┬─┬─Trachypithecus vetulus
│ │ │ │ └─Trachypithecus johnii
│ │ │ ├─┬─Trachypithecus auratus
│ │ │ │ ├─Trachypithecus cristatus
│ │ │ │ ├─Trachypithecus germaini
│ │ │ │ └─Trachypithecus barbei
│ │ │ ├─┬─Trachypithecus obscurus
│ │ │ │ └─Trachypithecus phayrei
│ │ │ ├─┬─Trachypithecus pileatus
│ │ │ │ ├─Trachypithecus shortridgei
│ │ │ │ └─Trachypithecus geei
│ │ │ └─┬─Trachypithecus francoisi
│ │ │ ├─Trachypithecus hatinhensis
│ │ │ ├─Trachypithecus poliocephalus
│ │ │ ├─Trachypithecus laotum
│ │ │ ├─Trachypithecus delacouri
│ │ │ └─Trachypithecus ebenus
│ │ └─┬─Presbytis melalophos
│ │ ├─Presbytis femoralis
│ │ ├─Presbytis chrysomelas
│ │ ├─Presbytis siamensis
│ │ ├─Presbytis frontata
│ │ ├─Presbytis comata
│ │ ├─Presbytis thomasi
│ │ ├─Presbytis hosei
│ │ ├─Presbytis rubicunda
│ │ ├─Presbytis potenziani
│ │ └─Presbytis femoralis
│ └─Odd Nosed Group
│ ├─┬─Pygathrix nemaeus
│ │ ├─Pygathrix nigripes
│ │ └─Pygathrix cinerea
│ ├─┬─Rhinopithecus roxellana
│ │ ├─Rhinopithecus bieti
│ │ ├─Rhinopithecus brelichi
│ │ ├─Rhinopithecus avunculus
│ │ └─Rhinopithecus strykeri
│ ├─Nasalis larvatus
│ ├─Simias concolor
│ └─┬─Mesopithecus monspessulanu
│ └─Mesopithecus pentelici
└─Hominoidea (superfamily)
├─Proconsul X
└─┬─Kenyapithecus X
└─┬─Hylobatidae (gibbons)
│ ├─Hylobates
│ │ ├─Hylobates lar
│ │ ├─Hylobates agilis
│ │ ├─Hylobates albibarbis
│ │ ├─Hylobates muelleri
│ │ ├─Hylobates moloch
│ │ ├─Hylobates pileatus
│ │ └─Hylobates klossii
│ ├─Hoolock
│ │ ├─Hoolock hoolock
│ │ ├─Hoolock leuconedys
│ │ └─Hoolock tianxing
│ ├─Nomascus
│ │ ├─Nomascus concolor
│ │ ├─Nomascus gabriellae
│ │ ├─Nomascus leucogenys
│ │ └─Nomascus nasutus
│ └─Symphalangus
│ └─Symphalangus syndactylus
└─Hominidae (family)
├─Dryopithecus X
└─┬─Pierolapithecus X
└─┬─Ponginae (family)
│ ╞═Sivapithecus X
│ ├─Gigantopithecus X
│ └─Pongo (orangutans)
│ ├─Pongo borneo
│ ├─Pongo pygmaeus
│ ├─Pongo abelii
│ └─Pongo hooijeri
└─Homininae (subfamily)
├─Samburupithecus X
├─Nakalipithecus X
└─┬─Gorillini (tribe)
│ ├─Chororapithecus X
│ └─Gorilla (gorillas)
│ ├─Gorilla gorilla
│ └─Gorilla beringei
└─Hominini (tribe)
└─┬?─Sahelanthropus X (possible common ancestor)
├─Panina (subtribe)
│ └─┬─Pan troglodytes (chimpanzee)
│ └─Pan paniscus (bonobos)
└─Hominina (subtribe)
├─Orrorin tugenensis
├─Ardipithecus X
└─┬─Australopithecus afarensis X
│ └?─Paranthropus aethiopicus (if descended from A afarensis) X
├─Australopithecus garhi X
└─┬─Australopithecus africanus X
└─┬─Paranthropus X
│ ├?─Paranthropus aethiopicus X (alternate location)
│ └─┬─Paranthropus robustus X
│ └─Paranthropus boisei X
└─┬─Kenyanthropus X
└─Homo
├─Homo habilis X
╘═╤═Homo erectus X
│ └─Homo floresiensis X
╘═╤═Homo heidelbergensis X
└─┬─Homo neanderthalensis X
└─Homo sapiens
There also seems to be some disagreement on whether Lorisiformes are a subbranch of Lemuriformes, like Indrioidea and Lemuroidea. So I have kept the Palaeos version for now.
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Message 6 of 9 (820577)
09-23-2017 10:28 AM
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09-20-2017 8:59 AM


Re: Adding Lorisiformes -- bushbabies -- to the bush
There also seems to be some disagreement on whether Lorisiformes are a subbranch of Lemuriformes, like Indrioidea and Lemuroidea.
There is no disagreement on the phylogeny; only an irrelevant debate on terminology. Either Lorisoidea is sister to Lemuroidea, or Lorisiformes are sister to Lemuriformes; which is a meaningless distinction. These debates are irritating, since they create needless confusion. Lemuroidea can mean a variety of different things depending on the author; even if they all agree on the phylogeny.
The internal phylogeny of lemurs is not settled, and the way you have it is probably wrong (or, at least, incomplete). You're missing Daubentonia, aye-ayes, which are the sister group to all other lemurs.
The division of other lemurs into Lemuroidea and Indroidea is uncertain. I am assuming that in this classification Lemuroidea=Lemuridae, and Indroidea=all other lemurs. This is the topology you tend to get in studies of only living lemurs, but there are several extinct families of lemur from which we have DNA, since they only went extinct recently. Studies incorporating these (eg. Herera et al., 2016 and Orlando et. al 2008) tend to find indriids and lemurids to be sister groups among living lemurs; with cheirogaleids (dwarf and mouse lemurs) and lepilemurids (sportive lemurs) being successive sister groups to the lemurid-indriid clade.
Now, I'm happy to go on about the most controversial and contested parts of this phylogeny, but I'm not really sure if this is the point of the thread or not.

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Message 7 of 9 (820581)
09-23-2017 1:19 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by caffeine
09-23-2017 10:28 AM


Re: Adding Lorisiformes -- bushbabies -- to the bush
The division of other lemurs into Lemuroidea and Indroidea is uncertain. I am assuming that in this classification Lemuroidea=Lemuridae, and Indroidea=all other lemurs. This is the topology you tend to get in studies of only living lemurs, but there are several extinct families of lemur from which we have DNA, since they only went extinct recently. Studies incorporating these (eg. Herera et al., 2016 and Orlando et. al 2008) tend to find indriids and lemurids to be sister groups among living lemurs; with cheirogaleids (dwarf and mouse lemurs) and lepilemurids (sportive lemurs) being successive sister groups to the lemurid-indriid clade.
Having relied heavily on wiki, and seeing that even wiki has different arrangements on different pages, I would not be surprised.
As of yesterday I now have the book The Tree of Life by Lecontre & La Guyader (Harvard Press 2006) and have waded through the preface and into the introduction. Quick scan through shows lots of cladogram pylogenies. Probably more confusion will ensue.
Now, I'm happy to go on about the most controversial and contested parts of this phylogeny, but I'm not really sure if this is the point of the thread or not.
It would be interesting to show the different arrangements side by each. Maybe with a table?
    ├─Lorisiformes
│ └─Lorisoidea
├─Lemuriformes
│ ├─Indrioidea MH
│ └─Lemuroidea
OR:
├─Lemuriformes
│ ├─Lorisoidea
│ ├─Indrioidea MH
│ └─Lemuroidea
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Message 8 of 9 (820588)
09-23-2017 4:02 PM
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09-23-2017 1:19 PM


Re: Adding Lorisiformes -- bushbabies -- to the bush
It would be interesting to show the different arrangements side by each. Maybe with a table?
I like the idea, but it should be emphasised that what you've shown above are not disagreements. Every taxonomist in the whole world agrees on the relationship between lemurs and galagos. There is no controversy. What you're presenting is a controversy over taxonomic rank, and is clear evidence why the concept of taxonomic rank should be abolished.
You have read this stupid, pointless, meaningless debate about rank, and it's led you to imagine a trichotomy between Lemur, Indri and Galago. But no such exists. The phylogeny is clear. Lemurs are monophyletic.

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Message 9 of 9 (821423)
10-07-2017 9:24 AM
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09-23-2017 4:02 PM


Adding Indriidae
My latest update:
Archonta

└─Primates MH
└─Strepsirhini MH
?-Lorisiformes (if not under Lemuriformes)
│ └─Lorisoidea
│ ├─Galagidae
│ │ ├─┬─Euoticus elegantulus
│ │ │ └─Euoticus pallidus (2 varieties)
│ │ ├─┬─Galago matschiei
│ │ │ ├─Galago senegalensis (4 varieties)
│ │ │ ├─Galago moholi (2 varieties)
│ │ │ └─Galago gallarum
│ │ ├─┬─Galagoides demidovii
│ │ │ ├─Galagoides granti
│ │ │ ├─Galagoides orinus
│ │ │ ├─Galagoides rondoensis
│ │ │ ├─Galagoides thomasi
│ │ │ ├─Galagoides zanzibaricus (2 varieties)
│ │ │ ├─Galagoides cocos
│ │ │ ├─Galagoides nyasae
│ │ │ └─Galagoides kumbirensis)
│ │ ├─┬─Otolemur crassicaudatus (2 varieties)
│ │ │ ├─Otolemur monteiri (2 varieties)
│ │ │ └─Otolemur garnettii (4 varieties
│ │ └─┬─Sciurocheirus alleni
│ │ ├─Sciurocheirus gabonensis
│ │ ├─Sciurocheirus cameronensis
│ │ └─Sciurocheirus makandensis
│ └─Lorisidae
│ ├─Perodicticinae
│ │ ├─┬─Arctocebus calabarensis
│ │ │ └─Arctocebus aureus
│ │ ├─Perodicticus potto
│ │ └─Pseudopotto martini
│ └─Lorisinae
│ ├─┬─Loris tardigradus
│ │ └─Loris lydekkerianus
│ └─┬─Nycticebus coucang
│ ├─Nycticebus javanicus
│ ├─Nycticebus bengalensis
│ ├─Nycticebus pygmaeus
│ ├─Nycticebus menagensis
│ ├─Nycticebus bancanus
│ ├─Nycticebus borneanus
│ ├─Nycticebus kayan
│ └?─Nycticebus linglom (fossil tooth)
├─Lemuriformes
│ ├?-Lorisoidea (if not under Lorisiformes)
│ ├─Indrioidea MH
│ │ └─Indriidae
│ │ ├─Indri
│ │ │ └─Indri indri
│ │ ├─┬─Avahi cleesei
│ │ │ ├─Avahi laniger
│ │ │ ├─Avahi mooreorum
│ │ │ ├─Avahi occidentalis
│ │ │ ├─Avahi unicolor
│ │ │ ├─Avahi peyrierasi
│ │ │ ├─Avahi meridionalis
│ │ │ ├─Avahi ramanantsoavani
│ │ │ └─Avahi betsileo
│ │ └─┬─┬─Propithecus diadema
│ │ │ ├─Propithecus candidus
│ │ │ ├─Propithecus edwardsi
│ │ │ ├─Propithecus perrieri
│ │ │ └─Propithecus tattersalli
│ │ └─┬─Propithecus verreauxi
│ │ ├─Propithecus coquereli
│ │ ├─Propithecus deckenii
│ │ └─Propithecus coronatus

│ └─Lemuroidea
├─Adapiformes X
│ └─Darwinius X
└─Haplorhini
├─Tarsiiformes MH
└─Simiiformes (or Anthropoidea)
├─Platyrrhini ToL
└─Catarrhini
├─Cercopithecidae
│ ├─Cercopithecini
│ │ ├─Allenopithecus nigroviridis
│ │ ├─┬─Miopithecus talapoin
│ │ │ └─Miopithecus ogouensis
│ │ ├─Erythrocebus patas
│ │ ├─┬─Chlorocebus sabaeus
│ │ │ ├─Chlorocebus aethiops
│ │ │ ├─Chlorocebus djamdjamensis
│ │ │ ├─Chlorocebus tantalus (3 varieties)
│ │ │ ├─Chlorocebus pygerythrus
│ │ │ └─Chlorocebus cynosuros
│ │ └─┬─Cercopithecus dryas
│ │ ├─┬─Cercopithecus diana
│ │ │ └─Cercopithecus roloway
│ │ ├─┬─Cercopithecus nictitans (2 varieties)
│ │ │ ├─Cercopithecus mitis
│ │ │ ├─Cercopithecus doggetti
│ │ │ ├─Cercopithecus kandti
│ │ │ └─Cercopithecus albogularis (12 varieties)
│ │ ├─┬─Cercopithecus mona
│ │ │ ├─Cercopithecus campbelli
│ │ │ ├─Cercopithecus lowei
│ │ │ ├─Cercopithecus pogonias (4 varieties)
│ │ │ ├─Cercopithecus wolfi (2 varieties)
│ │ │ └─Cercopithecus denti
│ │ ├─┬─Cercopithecus petaurista (2 varieties)
│ │ │ ├─Cercopithecus erythrogaster
│ │ │ ├─Cercopithecus erythrotis (2 varieties)
│ │ │ ├─Cercopithecus cephus (3 varieties)
│ │ │ └─Cercopithecus ascanius (5 varieties)
│ │ ├─┬─Cercopithecus lhoesti
│ │ │ ├─Cercopithecus preussi
│ │ │ └─Cercopithecus solatus
│ │ ├─┬─Cercopithecus hamlyni (2 varieties)
│ │ │ └─Cercopithecus lomamiensis
│ │ └─Cercopithecus neglectus
│ └─Papionini
│ └─┬─Macaca (macaques)
│ │ ├─Macaca anderssoni
│ │ ├─Macaca jiangchuanensis
│ │ ├─Macaca libyca
│ │ ├─Macaca majori
│ │ ├─Macaca sylvanus
│ │ ├─┬─Macaca nemestrina
│ │ │ ├─Macaca silenus
│ │ │ ├─Macaca leonina
│ │ │ ├─Macaca pagensis
│ │ │ ├─Macaca siberu
│ │ │ ├─Macaca maura
│ │ │ ├─Macaca ochreata
│ │ │ ├─Macaca tonkeana
│ │ │ ├─Macaca hecki
│ │ │ ├─Macaca nigrescens
│ │ │ └─Macaca nigra
│ │ ├─┬─Macaca fascicularis
│ │ │ └─Macaca arctoides
│ │ └─┬─Macaca mulatta
│ │ ├─Macaca cyclopis
│ │ ├─Macaca fuscata
│ │ ├─sinica group
│ │ ├─Macaca sinica
│ │ ├─Macaca radiata
│ │ ├─Macaca assamensis
│ │ ├─Macaca thibetana
│ │ ├─Macaca munzala
│ │ └─Macaca leucogenys
│ ├─┬─Lophocebus albigena
│ │ ├─Lophocebus aterrimus
│ │ ├─Lophocebus opdenboschi
│ │ ├─Lophocebus ugandae
│ │ ├─Lophocebus johnstoni
│ │ └─Lophocebus osmani
│ ├─Rungwecebus kipunji
│ ├─┬─Papio hamadryas
│ │ ├─Papio papio
│ │ ├─Papio anubis
│ │ ├─Papio cynocephalus
│ │ └─Papio ursinus
│ ├─Theropithecus gelada
│ ├─┬─Cercocebus atys
│ │ ├─Cercocebus torquatus
│ │ ├─Cercocebus agilis
│ │ ├─Cercocebus chrysogaster
│ │ ├─Cercocebus galeritus
│ │ └─Cercocebus sanjei
│ └─┬─Mandrillus sphinx
│ └─Mandrillus leucophaeus
├─Colobinae
│ ├─Colobini
│ │ ├─┬─Colobus satanas
│ │ │ ├─Colobus angolensis
│ │ │ ├─Colobus polykomos
│ │ │ ├─Colobus vellerosus
│ │ │ └─Colobus guereza
│ │ ├─┬─Piliocolobus badius
│ │ │ ├─Piliocolobus pennantii
│ │ │ ├─Piliocolobus preussi
│ │ │ ├─Piliocolobus tholloni
│ │ │ ├─Piliocolobus foai
│ │ │ ├─Piliocolobus epieni
│ │ │ ├─Piliocolobus tephrosceles
│ │ │ ├─Piliocolobus gordonorum
│ │ │ ├─Piliocolobus kirkii
│ │ │ └─Piliocolobus rufomitratus
│ │ └─Procolobus verus
│ ├─Langurs
│ │ ├─┬─Semnopithecus schistaceus
│ │ │ ├─Semnopithecus ajax
│ │ │ ├─Semnopithecus hector
│ │ │ ├─Semnopithecus entellus
│ │ │ ├─Semnopithecus hypoleucos
│ │ │ ├─Semnopithecus dussumieri
│ │ │ └─Semnopithecus priam
│ │ ├─┬─┬─Trachypithecus vetulus
│ │ │ │ └─Trachypithecus johnii
│ │ │ ├─┬─Trachypithecus auratus
│ │ │ │ ├─Trachypithecus cristatus
│ │ │ │ ├─Trachypithecus germaini
│ │ │ │ └─Trachypithecus barbei
│ │ │ ├─┬─Trachypithecus obscurus
│ │ │ │ └─Trachypithecus phayrei
│ │ │ ├─┬─Trachypithecus pileatus
│ │ │ │ ├─Trachypithecus shortridgei
│ │ │ │ └─Trachypithecus geei
│ │ │ └─┬─Trachypithecus francoisi
│ │ │ ├─Trachypithecus hatinhensis
│ │ │ ├─Trachypithecus poliocephalus
│ │ │ ├─Trachypithecus laotum
│ │ │ ├─Trachypithecus delacouri
│ │ │ └─Trachypithecus ebenus
│ │ └─┬─Presbytis melalophos
│ │ ├─Presbytis femoralis
│ │ ├─Presbytis chrysomelas
│ │ ├─Presbytis siamensis
│ │ ├─Presbytis frontata
│ │ ├─Presbytis comata
│ │ ├─Presbytis thomasi
│ │ ├─Presbytis hosei
│ │ ├─Presbytis rubicunda
│ │ ├─Presbytis potenziani
│ │ └─Presbytis femoralis
│ └─Odd Nosed Group
│ ├─┬─Pygathrix nemaeus
│ │ ├─Pygathrix nigripes
│ │ └─Pygathrix cinerea
│ ├─┬─Rhinopithecus roxellana
│ │ ├─Rhinopithecus bieti
│ │ ├─Rhinopithecus brelichi
│ │ ├─Rhinopithecus avunculus
│ │ └─Rhinopithecus strykeri
│ ├─Nasalis larvatus
│ ├─Simias concolor
│ └─┬─Mesopithecus monspessulanu
│ └─Mesopithecus pentelici
└─Hominoidea (superfamily)
├─Proconsul X
└─┬─Kenyapithecus X
└─┬─Hylobatidae (gibbons)
│ ├─Hylobates
│ │ ├─Hylobates lar
│ │ ├─Hylobates agilis
│ │ ├─Hylobates albibarbis
│ │ ├─Hylobates muelleri
│ │ ├─Hylobates moloch
│ │ ├─Hylobates pileatus
│ │ └─Hylobates klossii
│ ├─Hoolock
│ │ ├─Hoolock hoolock
│ │ ├─Hoolock leuconedys
│ │ └─Hoolock tianxing
│ ├─Nomascus
│ │ ├─Nomascus concolor
│ │ ├─Nomascus gabriellae
│ │ ├─Nomascus leucogenys
│ │ └─Nomascus nasutus
│ └─Symphalangus
│ └─Symphalangus syndactylus
└─Hominidae (family)
├─Dryopithecus X
└─┬─Pierolapithecus X
└─┬─Ponginae (family)
│ ╞═Sivapithecus X
│ ├─Gigantopithecus X
│ └─Pongo (orangutans)
│ ├─Pongo borneo
│ ├─Pongo pygmaeus
│ ├─Pongo abelii
│ └─Pongo hooijeri
└─Homininae (subfamily)
├─Samburupithecus X
├─Nakalipithecus X
└─┬─Gorillini (tribe)
│ ├─Chororapithecus X
│ └─Gorilla (gorillas)
│ ├─Gorilla gorilla
│ └─Gorilla beringei
└─Hominini (tribe)
└─┬?─Sahelanthropus X (possible common ancestor)
├─Panina (subtribe)
│ └─┬─Pan troglodytes (chimpanzee)
│ └─Pan paniscus (bonobos)
└─Hominina (subtribe)
├─Orrorin tugenensis
├─Ardipithecus X
└─┬─Australopithecus afarensis X
│ └?─Paranthropus aethiopicus (if descended from A afarensis) X
├─Australopithecus garhi X
└─┬─Australopithecus africanus X
└─┬─Paranthropus X
│ ├?─Paranthropus aethiopicus X (alternate location)
│ └─┬─Paranthropus robustus X
│ └─Paranthropus boisei X
└─┬─Kenyanthropus X
└─Homo
├─Homo habilis X
╘═╤═Homo erectus X
│ └─Homo floresiensis X
╘═╤═Homo heidelbergensis X
└─┬─Homo neanderthalensis X
└─Homo sapiens
I like the idea, but it should be emphasised that what you've shown above are not disagreements. Every taxonomist in the whole world agrees on the relationship between lemurs and galagos. There is no controversy. What you're presenting is a controversy over taxonomic rank, and is clear evidence why the concept of taxonomic rank should be abolished.
I have employed the -?- to show the optional paths, as the original authors used in other locations.
This leaves Lemuroidea and Adapiformes, including Dawinus.
Enjoy
Edited by RAZD, : simplified Lorisiformes diagraming
Edited by RAZD, : subt

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