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Topic: SN 2013fs happened and we saw it.
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jar
Member (Idle past 209 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 1 of 12 (799704)
02-13-2017 3:39 PM
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Back on October 6, 2013 an automated survey at Palomar Observatory in California captured images of a new Super Nova. We can say with near certainty that the object changed. This is an observed change, direct evidence of an event taking place in reality in time. The star that went super nova is located over 160 million light years from earth. Is there any other explanation that can explain what was seen and documented other than that the event happened 160 million years ago? Dates & Dating as a suggested location. Edited by jar, : take out an extra space I s ----> Is Edited by jar, : fix fumble fingers miles -----> light years
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Admin
Director Posts: 12958 From: EvC Forum Joined: 06-14-2002 Member Rating: 3.5
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Message 2 of 12 (799706)
02-13-2017 4:02 PM
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Thread Copied from Proposed New Topics Forum
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Coyote
Member (Idle past 1921 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: 01-12-2008
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Message 3 of 12 (799707)
02-13-2017 4:48 PM
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Nitpick: Should be light years instead of miles?
Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 8630 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.6
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Message 4 of 12 (799708)
02-13-2017 5:03 PM
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Reply to: Message 3 by Coyote
02-13-2017 4:48 PM
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Nitpick: Should be light years instead of miles?
I hope so. If not we are in for a world of hurt. Actually I think we would have been already.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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jar
Member (Idle past 209 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 5 of 12 (799709)
02-13-2017 5:10 PM
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Reply to: Message 3 by Coyote
02-13-2017 4:48 PM
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Pressie
Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: 06-18-2010
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Message 6 of 12 (799724)
02-14-2017 6:39 AM
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Reply to: Message 1 by jar
02-13-2017 3:39 PM
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jar writes: Is there any other explanation that can explain what was seen and documented other than that the event happened 160 million years ago? Yes. The Flood, which happened a few thousand years ago, changed the constant c universally. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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vimesey
Member Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined: 09-21-2011
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Message 7 of 12 (799726)
02-14-2017 6:52 AM
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Reply to: Message 6 by Pressie
02-14-2017 6:39 AM
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The Flood, which happened a few thousand years ago, changed the constant c universally. It would certainly have made it bigger and wetter....
Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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Pressie
Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: 06-18-2010
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Message 8 of 12 (799727)
02-14-2017 7:28 AM
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Reply to: Message 7 by vimesey
02-14-2017 6:52 AM
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See below. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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Pressie
Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: 06-18-2010
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Message 9 of 12 (799728)
02-14-2017 7:31 AM
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Reply to: Message 7 by vimesey
02-14-2017 6:52 AM
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Don't laugh. One of our local famous YEC creationists, a mechanical engineer by trade, preaches that "science says that the Big Bang occured in a wet Primodal Soup"and that the Global Flood changed it all, again. The fundies hang onto his lips and basically worship him. He's a scientist!
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kbertsche
Member (Idle past 1947 days) Posts: 1427 From: San Jose, CA, USA Joined: 05-10-2007
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Message 10 of 12 (799744)
02-14-2017 12:18 PM
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Reply to: Message 9 by Pressie
02-14-2017 7:31 AM
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Has anyone ever asked him the obvious question: how could a flood on one planet affect c in distant galaxies?
"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." — Albert Einstein I am very astonished that the scientific picture of the real world around me is very deficient. It gives us a lot of factual information, puts all of our experience in a magnificently consistent order, but it is ghastly silent about all and sundry that is really near to our heart, that really matters to us. It cannot tell us a word about red and blue, bitter and sweet, physical pain and physical delight; it knows nothing of beautiful and ugly, good or bad, God and eternity. Science sometimes pretends to answer questions in these domains, but the answers are very often so silly that we are not inclined to take them seriously. — Erwin Schroedinger
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Diomedes
Member Posts: 991 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: 09-13-2013
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Message 11 of 12 (799755)
02-14-2017 2:46 PM
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Reply to: Message 6 by Pressie
02-14-2017 6:39 AM
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Ken Ham.... and eggs....on face
Yes. The Flood, which happened a few thousand years ago, changed the constant c universally.  Edited by Diomedes, : No reason given.
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Pressie
Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: 06-18-2010
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Message 12 of 12 (799785)
02-15-2017 6:50 AM
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Reply to: Message 10 by kbertsche
02-14-2017 12:18 PM
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Nobody can ask questions, as it is published in his books. Like any good creationist does. No questions allowed. But, the short answer from his books (translated) goes something like this: "...like the global flood also affected the assumptions involved in radioactive decay rates". Edited by Pressie, : No reason given. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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