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Percy Member Posts: 23054 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 6.6 |
New evidence could break the standard view of quantum mechanics says a headline at Science Alert. Before proposing a discussion topic I thought I'd ask if anyone knows if there's really something meaningful going on, or is this just a rehash of a fringe scientific possibility sparked by a recent paper?
--Percy
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Modulous Member (Idle past 277 days) Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
But now a group of researchers led by Aephraim Steinberg from the University of Toronto in Canada have conducted this experiment IRL, showing that it does make sense with Bohmian mechanics, as long as people remember to consider nonlocality - that idea that particles can affect other particles anywhere in the Universe. IRL huh? That's science journalism. From my understanding this doesn't really actually change anything, it just makes one interpretation a little less peculiar compared with what we've already seen by experiment - if that makes sense.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
or is this just a rehash of a fringe scientific possibility sparked by a recent paper? I agree with Modulus. It seems like a rehash, but perhaps the word 'fringe' is inappropriate. It is well known that there are interpretations of QM that require non-locality, and we've discussed that in these fora. The problem is that there are really good reasons to be suspicious of non-locality. I suspect that there is some real science going on somewhere, but that what is reported here is the catchy part. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2497 Joined: |
Fashion, Faith, and Fantasy.
Fashion is the String Theory. It is fashionable but he prefers Twister theory. Faith is the standard view of Quantum Mechanics because it is based on faith. It only works when the universe is real small and dense, and matter can't move around. (particles can pulse and fluctuate) But problems start when you try to move matter around, especially massive matter. He says it falls apart. (My guess is that particles move from universe to universe when the universe is densely packed, but the larger things get causes an entire universe to duplicate and not just individual particles. An "Alternate Universe" is something I have always understood as a duplicate universe. A "Multiple Universe" is another universe but an "original universe" as oppose to an Alternate Universe. All Alternate Universes are part of a "multiple universe" (?) but not all multiple universes are alternate universes. That's been my view since 1991-1992 anyway) The Fantasy part is what he calls the early hyper Inflation view of the (period just after) Big Bang. He rejects the early hyper Inflation (in the first second of the Universe) and the multi-verse that results as part of it. He believes in one universe turning into another on and on and on , but seems to reject a multi-verse existing at the same "time". One is destroyed and then chronologically becomes a new one. His book will broadly have 3 big topics where he takes a minority view on all. I look forward to it. Hope it finally comes out.
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Percy Member Posts: 23054 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 6.6 |
Thanks for the responses.
--Percy
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2497 Joined: |
Google
I need to start checking these things before posting. I honestly thought he had given up on the book as he has ben talking about this one for ages. He is so interesting. In 1989 he said that visitors from another galaxy would get here and see us doing things before we actually did things. Um, really. Back To The Future (movie), Quantum Leap (t.v. series), and Roger Penrose were the holy trinity of thought provokingness. Hope it encourages discussion and the contrasting views in the debate can help clear the picture enough so that average people, like me, can begin to understand a little.
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Son Goku Inactive Member
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Sorry Im a bit late on this.
In truth the Bohmian version and the standard version of Quantum Mechanics can be mathematically shown to give the same experimental results, so no experiment really shows that one is more consistent. However the "bizarre" trajectories that the Bohmian model requires in some cases, had never been directly observed. Now they have. However the standard view predicts the same results, it just doesn't attribute them to trajectories. There is an interesting discussion to be had here, I think it really gets to the heart of the interpretational issues and the subject of weak measurements. However I'm not sure how to phrase it as a debate topic, "Can any experiment distinguish Quantum interpretations" perhaps? Edited by Son Goku, : No reason given.
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Son Goku Inactive Member |
I don't think anything in Penrose's book relates to this topic though.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1697 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Strange quantum effect found in an exotic superconductor - Big Think
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jar Member (Idle past 131 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
The page loading was disrupted showing a change of state from readable to non-readable.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1697 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
And I couldn't find a link to the original paper
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Phat Member Posts: 18690 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.5
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I just saw this topic and will withdraw my PNT and put it here.
I was reading Discover Magazine a few days ago and found a reference to Google Quantum Computer Studies. Probing further, I found the same information repeated here. This was the basic fact presented: quote:Though the quantum computers are currently unstable enough for long term reliability, the glitches are being ironed out. Does anyone here know any more about this technology? The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.lvin Coolidge "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith - You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do. Anne Lamott
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PaulK Member Posts: 17986 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6
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I know some. There are arguments over just how good Google’s results really are.
The BIG problem is scaling them up. The number of qubits (quantum bits) in a computer is still too low for big problems. The 53 in the Google experiment is high. But it is good that there are problems. We aren’t ready for the security implications. A lot of widely-used cryptography is vulnerable to these machines - when they get big enough. Work is going on to replace them but it’s taking time - not least because the replacements need to be shown to be secure against normal attacks.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1697 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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... There are arguments over just how good Google’s results really are. Particularly when the results are biased by filtering preferences (for google ads for example) AND when they run on with a bunch of garbage listings with little relationship to the query string. The big problem imho is absence of any filtering based on accurate, verifiable, valid content. Any idiot can (and does) post garbage and it gets the same treatment as good information. The more ignorant people get access to the internet, the more ignorant garbage gets posted, and the more anyone's search gets cluttered with it. Enjoyby our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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PaulK Member Posts: 17986 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
Google’s results in quantum computing are being questioned, notably by IBM
Eg science News (found using DuckDuckGo - my Search Engine of choice)
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