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Epee Junior Member (Idle past 3233 days) Posts: 13 From: Florida Joined: |
Hey all, I've been lurking this forum for awhile now, but just recently made an account and this is my first post.
Anyway, I've been wondering on how other Islam sees the claim of creationism. It's also based off of the Torah, so I could see if they were able to justify YEC or OEC, but I've been unable to find anything on the topic. If followers of Islam don't follow creationism, should they? I've always thought that they should still believe in genesis since the Koran is based off of the Torah.
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AdminPhat Inactive Member |
Hello Epee--welcome. Its always good when we can "out" a lurker...our family then becomes bigger> Now...about this topic....
I've been wondering on how other Islam sees the claim of creationism. Are you asking other Islamic participants to comment, and/or are you asking all of us in general? Personally, I would imagine that everyone sees the idea of creationism a bit differently, on an individual basis.
It's also based off of the Torah, so I could see if they were able to justify YEC or OEC, but I've been unable to find anything on the topic. Are you saying that the idea of Biblical Creationism--seven days, arks, and fig leaf clothing were ideas shared by Judaism, Christianity and Islam? What is your personal belief? It is usually wise to start a topic by explaining your position first.
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Epee Junior Member (Idle past 3233 days) Posts: 13 From: Florida Joined: |
Thanks for the welcome!
If we have any Islamic participants I'd love to know there opinions, but I'm curious to how everyone feels on this topic. Sorry about that. I don't know much about Islam, but it is my understanding that they follow the old testament. This makes it seem to me like they should be following the entire creation story as well, including the 7 days of creation, Noah's Ark, etc in the same way Christians should. Otherwise it just seems like nitpicking which parts you want to follow.
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AdminPhat Inactive Member |
Thread copied here from the Islam and Creation? thread in the Proposed New Topics forum.
I don't know much about Islam, but it is my understanding that they follow the old testament. This makes it seem to me like they should be following the entire creation story as well, including the 7 days of creation, Noah's Ark, etc in the same way Christians should. Otherwise it just seems like nitpicking which parts you want to follow. So you are suggesting that people who are believers--in whatever religion they believe in---should follow most or all of its tenets,right? Perhaps you could tell us why you think this way. Why does anyone have to do certain things. I will promote you, but expect some challenges from others on this. Edited by AdminPhat, : No reason given.
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
I don't know much about Islam, but it is my understanding that they follow the old testament. Out of curiousity, which religion and/or belief did you grow up with? What are your beliefs, in a nutshell?
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 284 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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Well, there are Islamic creationists, the most famous of whom is Harun Yahya. It's exactly the same as Christian creationism, because all creationists have the same formula: whine inaccurately about evolution, and tacitly assume that their chosen religion is the one viable alternative.
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Epee Junior Member (Idle past 3233 days) Posts: 13 From: Florida Joined: |
What fun is it without challenges?
If you believe that your holy book is the written word of god, you can't just pick and choose which parts you like, especially if your of the type to think that you get your morality from god.
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Epee Junior Member (Idle past 3233 days) Posts: 13 From: Florida Joined: |
Out of curiousity, which religion and/or belief did you grow up with? What are your beliefs, in a nutshell? I was raised in a Jewish household but I'm closer to atheist/agonstic than anything (a 6 on Dawkins scale).
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
f you believe that your holy book is the written word of god What exactly do you think the phrase "written word of god" actually means? That god dictated every word of the Bible? That the Bible contains no allegory or non literal lessons? Your position is based on some assumptions that are not shared by every person who claims to follow the Bible. Almost certainly your judgments of those people are wrong as well.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2106 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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What are your beliefs, in a nutshell? If I may interject... I find the Native American Old Man Coyote stories to be as convincing as biblical stories. And a lot more entertaining. Here is an example: The Creation of Men and Women So, is anyone going to try to tell me this is not true? And if so, what is the evidence behind your claim?Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
So, is anyone going to try to tell me this is not true? And if so, what is the evidence behind your claim? Its not true. Humans evolved from earlier hominids, they were not created out of clay by an eagle.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Well, there are Islamic creationists, the most famous of whom is Harun Yahya. Thanks for sharing that, its a hoot.
and tacitly assume that their chosen religion is the one viable alternative. Oh, he goes beyond tacit assumption and right into blatant proclamation.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5930 Joined: Member Rating: 5.8 |
I haven't followed that creationist lineage, but the National Center for Science Education (NCSE at http://ncse.com/) did and published some articles on Islamic creationism. The name, Harun Yahya, did come up, as I recall, but there's more to it than just him.
I went to their site and did a search on Islam. Here are the results:
http://www.google.com/cse?cx=007171283833601515084%3Aykvz.... Share and enjoy! PSI also went to the talkorigins newsgroup's archive site, talkorigins.org, and did another search on Islam. You'll need to do that search for yourself.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5930 Joined: Member Rating: 5.8 |
Well, at least the story doesn't have us formed out of coyote scat.
In one Mandan origins myth, wolves were drowned in Hudson Bay and out of their rotting fur was formed the white man. This from an article in NCSE's Creation/Evolution journal which described how the Mandan origins myth had changed rapidly in the face of drastic changes in their life-styles over a few centuries. Oral tradition changes far more rapidly than the general public realizes.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Well, at least the story doesn't have us formed out of coyote scat. I was surprised that the eagle had the coyote bang the human's girlfriend... twice.
Oral tradition changes far more rapidly than the general public realizes. Sure. Haven't you played the Telephone Game?
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