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Dr Adequate
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Message 1 of 168 (730177)
06-25-2014 1:14 AM


Unlike my geology book, I'm not going to post it here in installments, because I would like this one to be published by a real publisher on laminae fabricated from the corpses of innocent trees.
However, if anyone here would like a look at it in advance, so as to supply me with some criticism before I start submitting it to publishers, I would be grateful for the feedback.
And the rest of you can just wish me luck.

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nwr
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Message 2 of 168 (730179)
06-25-2014 1:26 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Dr Adequate
06-25-2014 1:14 AM


Yes, I would be interested in an advance look. And I'd be happy to send my criticism and/or comments.
You probably want an email address. We can use the messaging system for that. If you are interested in my participation, just send a PM.

Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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Message 3 of 168 (730181)
06-25-2014 2:45 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Dr Adequate
06-25-2014 1:14 AM


Good luck, Doc.

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Message 4 of 168 (730185)
06-25-2014 5:19 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Dr Adequate
06-25-2014 1:14 AM


I hope you are honest about the fact that the historical sciences that purport to know things about the past, that can't be known because they can't be tested, aren't really subject to scientific method.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 5 of 168 (730186)
06-25-2014 5:59 AM
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06-25-2014 5:19 AM


Saying things you know to be false isn't being honest, Faith.

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Message 6 of 168 (730187)
06-25-2014 6:15 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by PaulK
06-25-2014 5:59 AM


By now you ought to know that I'm deadly serious about this, am certainly not being dishonest, believe it absolutely that historical science is not testable science but just a tissue of assumptions and conjectures.
Why don't we try to prove some tenet of historical science and see if we can find out just how it conforms or doesn't conform to scientific method. Take Siccar Point perhaps, or the Great Unconformity in the GC, or you pick one.
Here is a Wikipedia article on Scientific Method for reference, or offer one of your own.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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PaulK
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Message 7 of 168 (730188)
06-25-2014 6:22 AM
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06-25-2014 6:15 AM


And by now you ought to know that it isn't true. It's certainly not as if you have adequately addressed the rebuttals,
If you really want to discuss it start a new thread explaining why all the tests that have been done on radiometric dating methods don't count.

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jar
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Message 8 of 168 (730190)
06-25-2014 8:48 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by Faith
06-25-2014 6:15 AM


By now you ought to know that I'm deadly serious about this, am certainly not being dishonest, believe it absolutely that historical science is not testable science but just a tissue of assumptions and conjectures.
Then you are being willfully dishonest Faith.
Things leave evidence which certainly can be tested.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 9 of 168 (730191)
06-25-2014 9:48 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by Faith
06-25-2014 5:19 AM


More nonsense, same as always...
I hope you are honest about the fact that the historical sciences that purport to know things about the past, that can't be known because they can't be tested, aren't really subject to scientific method.
You believe whatever fairy tales you need to keep your house of cards from falling down around your ears, but don't tell those of us who actually study the past what we can and can't do.
And as far as the scientific method is concerned, you have shown time and again that you reject it totally. You have no right to even think about it, let alone comment on it.

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Message 10 of 168 (730192)
06-25-2014 10:05 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Dr Adequate
06-25-2014 1:14 AM


Good luck with the process and all that!
Oh, and I would like to be mentioned somewhere in the book.
...not because I helped or contributed in any way, I've just always wanted to be mentioned in a published book. Preferably positively.

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jar
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Message 11 of 168 (730193)
06-25-2014 10:11 AM
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06-25-2014 10:05 AM


And not posthumously.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 12 of 168 (730198)
06-25-2014 10:49 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by Faith
06-25-2014 6:15 AM


Here is a Wikipedia article on Scientific Method for reference, or offer one of your own.
Typical Faith unhelpful post. A bare link which when followed provides absolutely nothing helpful to her argument.
At least you aren't posting your non-science in the science forums this time. I thought perhaps you'd learned something about endorsing web pages that you had not even read.
ABE:
I thought I'd demonstrate a more useful post. If some point of a large article is helpful, and you actually have a point to make, you might supplement your link thusly:
Historical and operational science - RationalWiki
quote:
The term "Operational science" and the creationist understanding of "Historical science" are not considered valid scientific terminology, and primarily appear in arguments presented by creationists about whether ideas such as abiogenesis, evolution and the Big Bang Theory are really scientific. As Bill Nye pointed out when debating Ken Ham, even Ken Ham admits that the distinction is entirely a creationist invention, and no scientist not on the AiG payroll agrees with him about it.
Of course you won't do that if you are just blowing smoke.
Edited by NoNukes, : Add link, quote.

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Message 13 of 168 (730199)
06-25-2014 11:01 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Dr Adequate
06-25-2014 1:14 AM


Sounds interesting.
Would you be willing to post a general outline, perhaps the topics that each chapter covers, how long the book is; something like that?
HBD

Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca
"Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem.
Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.

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Message 14 of 168 (730200)
06-25-2014 11:18 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by NoNukes
06-25-2014 10:49 AM


quote:
even Ken Ham admits that the distinction is entirely a creationist invention,
Do you know what Ham actually said, because I find it hard to believe that he would openly, and distinctly admit that since it is so crucial to the YEC position.
HBD

Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca
"Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem.
Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.

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Message 15 of 168 (730201)
06-25-2014 11:22 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Dr Adequate
06-25-2014 1:14 AM


Well done! Good luck.
I would like to look. I will message my email address.

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