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RAZD Member (Idle past 1425 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Once again we see that organisms adapt to the garbage that humans discard -- in this case it makes them more dangerous to humans, ironic eh?
Mutated fish have adapted to freakish amounts of toxic waste | Grist
quote: So the poisons we've put into the water move up the food-chain to our food. Good move eh? Once again we see that there is no "away" and when you "throw something away" all you really do is relocate it. by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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herebedragons Member (Idle past 878 days) Posts: 1517 From: Michigan Joined: |
Even as recently as 20 - 30 years ago, I think most people had the attitude that the earth was basically indestructible and whatever we threw at it, it was capable of cleaning itself up. I mean, dump a barrel of industrial waste into a river and in a short time it has been diluted to the point where it is barely detectable. And at some level this is true. The earth is extremely resilient and has systems that can clean up some amount of damage.
However, it has become increasingly clear in recent years that while the earth does have the ability to clean itself somewhat, human activity is totally overwhelming natural processes. In addition, we are developing products that the earth was never designed (not an ID argument ) to deal with (such as PCBs).
Once again we see that there is no "away" and when you "throw something away" all you really do is relocate it. Good point. We are certainly a "throw away" society. Consumer products are designed to be short-lived, and rather than repaired, they are simply disposed of. Not to mention packaging. What a trashy society we live in HBDWhoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca "Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem. Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.
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ringo Member (Idle past 432 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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herebedragons writes:
That's likely a temporary situation. When we have poisoned the earth enough to make ourselves extinct, the cleanup process will have a chance to catch up.
However, it has become increasingly clear in recent years that while the earth does have the ability to clean itself somewhat, human activity is totally overwhelming natural processes.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1425 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
However, it has become increasingly clear in recent years that while the earth does have the ability to clean itself somewhat, human activity is totally overwhelming natural processes. In addition, we are developing products that the earth was never designed (not an ID argument ) to deal with (such as PCBs). Even biodegradable items take a while.
Good point. We are certainly a "throw away" society. Consumer products are designed to be short-lived, and rather than repaired, they are simply disposed of. Not to mention packaging. What a trashy society we live in One suggestion I have heard is to for disposal of nuclear waste is to dump the barrels into a subduction zone. Certainly sounds better to me than current plans. by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2126 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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One suggestion I have heard is to for disposal of nuclear waste is to dump the barrels into a subduction zone. We may want that stuff in a century or two. Better to put it where we can get it if we need it.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1464 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
If enough people believed in the God of the Bible and prayed about all this I'm sure He'd provide us a solution, but that isn't going to happen so there may not be any good solutions coming up either.
However, on the subject of nuclear waste, although I'm a Nevadan I have the no doubt odd point of view that since a site has been prepared to receive nuclear waste in this state, with all kinds of precautions taken, and it's in the same vicinity where so many nuclear bombs were tested in the 50s and 60s that the area is still "hot," I think bringing it here is maybe the best solution after all. The alternative is to store it in less safe places. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1425 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
... I have the no doubt odd point of view that since a site has been prepared to receive nuclear waste in this state, with all kinds of precautions taken, ... They thought Fukushima was safe. Three Years Later, A Harrowing Visit To Fukushima : Parallels : NPR by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1464 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Yes, but Fukushima was built near the ocean. If you think Yucca mountain is unsafe in any similar way let us know why.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1425 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Nuclea-ette: Pros and Cons of Yucca Mountain
quote: And with the long half-life of plutonium it will be around for a looooong time. by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1464 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
What about the current situation of how the nuclear waste is stored? He doesn't get into that comparison for some reason.
Oh, and I've also wondered what with those thousands or was it just hundreds of tests in the 50s and 60s to what extent the water is already contaminated. He doesn't mention that either (I certainly wouldn't want to add to such a problem but it's funny it isn't a big part of the discussion). Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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frako Member (Idle past 326 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
If enough people believed in the God of the Bible and prayed about all this I'm sure He'd provide us a solution, but that isn't going to happen so there may not be any good solutions coming up either. LOL no faith if enough people stopped praying for things to go away or just fix themselves, and actually did some work and study the problems we might find a solution. Though we do have an alternative to current nuclear power plants, that would be thorium reactors. Their downside is you cant make weapons out of the waste, and the fuel is cheap so cheap we are throwing it away as waste. So as long as we have a capitalistic, militaristic mindset it aint gonna happen on a scale we need it too.
However, on the subject of nuclear waste, although I'm a Nevadan I have the no doubt odd point of view that since a site has been prepared to receive nuclear waste in this state, with all kinds of precautions taken, and it's in the same vicinity where so many nuclear bombs were tested in the 50s and 60s that the area is still "hot," I think bringing it here is maybe the best solution after all. The alternative is to store it in less safe places. The problem is the time-scale you literally need to wait millions of years for nuclear waste to become safe, anyone saying that a particular site is gonn'a be safe to store nuclear waste for a million years is insane a million things can happen in that time. The safest method would be to launch the waste in to the sun but to make that cost efficient we would need a space elevator. Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 755 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
Let's not send it into the Sun, Frako. Rockets crash.
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frako Member (Idle past 326 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
hence the space elevator, carbon nanotubes are strong enough to make it feasible, the only problem is we cant make them long enough.... yet, but the guy who figures that out is gonna be a billionaire the next day.
Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.
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