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zaius137
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Message 1 of 6 (663369)
05-23-2012 7:09 PM


Original thread proposal has been hidden, please see Message 4 for the revised thread proposal. --Admin
Edited by Admin, : Hide message, direct people to the revised version.

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Message 2 of 6 (663400)
05-24-2012 8:21 AM
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05-23-2012 7:09 PM


Hi Zaius,
Great proposal, all it needs is a link to the source of your quote. You might want to fix the quote's spelling error, too, which comes from the original. I've never seen "wage" used as a verb before, but I'm sure the dog isn't happy about it.

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Message 3 of 6 (663477)
05-25-2012 1:37 AM
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05-24-2012 8:21 AM


I apologized for the misuse of quotation around a paragraph I had written myself. This was not an attempt on my part to misrepresent the source of the paragraph but only to separate it from the main body of the posting. I see that the attempt was in error, I still have a lot to learn about your forum's protocol.
There is one minor concern I have that relates to all the negative response this topic has already generated; is this normal?
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Message 4 of 6 (663479)
05-25-2012 1:52 AM
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05-24-2012 8:21 AM


Is the Big Bang the best cosmology? Are there other cosmologies that fit the evidence of what astronomers see in our universe? One article I read proposed the number of new cosmological models to be in the hundreds.
There are many problems with the Big Bang I would like to cover in this post. The biggest problems I have with BB are the dark energy dark matter problems consider the following:
The Big Bang theory has truly become a case of the tail wagging the dog. The invention of dark energy and dark matter relies on human imagination. What has happened to observation shaping theory instead of the theory taking on a life of its own? Consider the proposal, we only observe five percent of the universe by telescopes, radio and otherwise. Seventy-two percent is supposedly dark energy and twenty three percent composed of Dark Matter. By far these are two of the most unlikely and bazaar things ever conceived of by science. However, this balance of density parameters must be there to bolster the Big Bang.
In addition, there is a suggestion that the Cosmological Principle may be incorrect, remember it states that the universe has no center or no edge. The Cosmological Principle was most appealing in that it provided a simpler solution in General Relativity but quantized redshifts and galaxy orientations seem to suggest a universe center. What could be more logical, if the universe had a beginning then it should have a center.
I would like to bring up a particular Christian cosmology the Carmeli 5d cosmology. It predicted the type 1A redshifts at the far reaches of the universe two years before they were discovered.
Cosmological relativity - CreationWiki, the encyclopedia of creation science
Carmeli places our Milky Way at or near the center of the universe. The suggestion that the Milky Way is at the center of the universe solves many of the observational problems existing in the Big Bang at the same time maintaining parsimony in the explanation. To date Astronomy has no evidence against the Milky Way being at the center of the universe.
http://creation.com/...the-universe-quantized-redshifts-show
Also dark matter and dark energy are not needed in Carmeli’s model. So, did God place the MilkyWay in a special place in the universe?

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Message 5 of 6 (663503)
05-25-2012 6:06 AM
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05-25-2012 1:37 AM


zaius137 writes:
I apologized for the misuse of quotation around a paragraph I had written myself.
Ah, I see. I noticed that the same paragraph had been posted last year over at Error | Christian Forums, but taking a closer look now I see that you were the author.
There is one minor concern I have that relates to all the negative response this topic has already generated; is this normal?
It's regrettable that people jeer a post still in the promotion process instead of waiting for promotion. Many here think I should turn off jeering and only keep cheering enabled, and I agree with them. I only keep jeering enabled because this website also serves as a test platform for the dBoard software.
But the jeers do seem well founded to me. It's one thing to be aware of the evidence and have good reasons for questioning it, but quite another to be unaware of the evidence while drawing conclusions anyway. I can't be sure, of course, but your comments associating the origins of theories concerning dark energy and dark matter with the human imagination while not giving any indication of awareness of the evidence behind them could likely be what drew the jeers.

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05-25-2012 6:10 AM


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