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doyle Inactive Member |
Years ago I was a Christian but found it to be unpallatable with the reasoning part of the mind.For the past 17 years I have been a Atheist but now I find the spiritual part of my mind to be neglected.I do not and never will believe in the existence of a God created in the image of Humans but I do feel an experience of AWE at the uncomprehendable Universe.I have checked out Scientific Pantheisim, and Budhisim has some interesting views.What do some of you seekers of the Truth suggest.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1493 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
What do some of you seekers of the Truth suggest. That the "spiritual part of your brain" is actually a culturally-conditioned reflex. Why would you choose what to believe based on how good it makes your brain feel? Why not believe what is true? Or at least what you can determine is true? It sounds like you're just looking to get sucked into the vicious circle of religion again - or that you never left it. Try living without spirituality. If you need fulfillment, get it from lasting achevements. If you need communion get it from your community. If you need to feel awe then feel it for the very real and very, very complex physical universe you inhabit. Surely living can't be so simple for you that you have to make up additional levels of complexity?
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mark24 Member (Idle past 5221 days) Posts: 3857 From: UK Joined: |
What would an atheist be doing with spirituality?
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mike the wiz Member Posts: 4755 From: u.k Joined: |
Maybe you should read each 'so called ' religious book, one at a time and see which you think is the truth. If there is truth to 'spirit' then if one is the truth, maybe the true one will satisfy your spirit. This also needs no 'religious' rituals, as it is just you versus the books.
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
My suggestion is not to force it and to take your time. Read a lot of philosophy, maybe some religious texts, (my preference is the Eastern traditions, especially Zen Buddhism, but I also found books on the history and philosphy of science very helpful in my search), but don't waste time on anything that seems foolish to you - focus on things that seem to make sense. It might help to keep a journal - that way as you try to articulate your thoughts maybe certain "truths" will pop out at you. Don't limit your journal to just this one topic - write about current events, your feelings about people - keep the range broad.
Anyway, take heart. Been there, done that. It can be a slow process, but you'll come out okay in the end.
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John Inactive Member |
For myself, nothing matches the beauty and sheer cleverness of Jewish Kabbalah-- not the crap that gets thrown into books about witchcraft. Aryeh Kaplan ( the spelling may be a little off ) can't be beat, since the source texts are a bit hard to get.
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defenderofthefaith Inactive Member |
I understand how you feel, doyle. We intelligent persons often find it hard goings with matters of faith. We often try to solve problems by virtue of our own intelligence alone. I would suggest what mike the wiz said... investigate and logically analyse all the major faiths to see which one stands up to scrutiny.
Lasting achievements won't work... and in any case they don't last. God be with you, and I pray He brings you back to Him. |
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Mike Holland Member (Idle past 509 days) Posts: 179 From: Sydney, NSW,Auistralia Joined: |
Lots of good advice there, though I'm not so sure about the Kabbalah! I like Omar Khayyam (Fitzgerald's first translation).
But stick with the awe. Look at the night sky, or the sea, or a bird soaring, or whatever, and feel the awe. Think about the eons required for you to evolve, and feel the awe. Listen to some beautiful music and feel the shivers down your spine. Science does not detract from the spirituality or beauty of our experiences. We know how a rainbow is formed, and what makes the stars shine, but they are still just as beautiful. And you can still get a kick from being there and knowing that you are one with the universe (whatever that means) without inventing gods or spirits.
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Phat Member Posts: 18335 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
What do some of you seekers of the Truth suggest. Hey, I have not given up on Christianity even though some of my opponents are very intelligent and DO bring up good points. Ya gotta go with what you feel is real. You cannot reject a God whom you do not know. Why would you get sent to Hell for that? One caution, however. Do not dismiss the Christian point of view just because you have made up your mind.
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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
Personally, I'd reccomend a three-step program:
1) Whatever form of meditation you feel most comfortable with.2) Lots of drugs and alcohol. (Within your body's healthy limits, natch.) 3) As much sex as your genitals can handle. In whatever order works best for you. "Perhaps you should take your furs and your literal interpretations to the other side of the river." -Anya
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Phat Member Posts: 18335 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
I might add a #4 to Dans list.
4) Get a daily dose of Dans sic humor! You may laugh your way to sanity. Dan is my favorite choirboy!
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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
Um... in general, thanks. But in this case, I wasn't kidding. If he wants an intense physical/emotional/intellectual experience, mixed with an additional feeling that is a little too abstract to describe, (the four of which together being what I think of as "spiritual") then the above is what I'd honestly reccomend.
"Perhaps you should take your furs and your literal interpretations to the other side of the river." -Anya
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Rand Al'Thor Inactive Member |
LOL Dan i'd stick with 1 and 3 and leave 2 for later in life
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Phat Member Posts: 18335 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
So Dan, are you saying that sex, drugs, and meditation equal spirituality for you? Not that there's anything wrong with it...
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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
Not in and of themselves, no. No more than two planks of wood nailed together equal spirituality for you all on their own. But the cross is a way to get to a certain place for you, and I have my own means.
Although I like the way you phrase it... makes it sound like meditation is the new rock & roll... "Perhaps you should take your furs and your literal interpretations to the other side of the river." -Anya
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