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tesla
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Message 1 of 46 (619238)
06-08-2011 11:50 PM


In order to Get work in my field; I must first have a business number, tax ID, and at the very least an insurance exemption.
The total cost is about $250.00.
But I need work to get the $250.00, and the license and exemption to get work...
Who's idea was this?

keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

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Message 2 of 46 (619240)
06-09-2011 10:03 AM


Thread Copied from Proposed New Topics Forum
Thread copied here from the Retarded Law? thread in the Proposed New Topics forum.

  
jar
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Message 3 of 46 (619246)
06-09-2011 10:13 AM


I don't see the problem. The laws are there to make sure that the consumer gets protected.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 4 of 46 (619250)
06-09-2011 10:21 AM
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06-09-2011 10:13 AM


and that taxes are paid properly.

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Message 5 of 46 (619251)
06-09-2011 10:24 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by Theodoric
06-09-2011 10:21 AM


Yes, again, protecting the consumer.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 6 of 46 (619255)
06-09-2011 10:39 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by tesla
06-08-2011 11:50 PM


The way i understand it you want to open a company to do something provide some service.....
Of course you have to get trough all the paperwork and it costs a bit.

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Message 7 of 46 (619264)
06-09-2011 10:51 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by Theodoric
06-09-2011 10:21 AM


Theodoric writes:
and that taxes are paid properly.
Is it really necessary to charge for this sort of thing, though? I've done a fair bit of work recently without paying any taxes, not because I'm trying to avoid tax (I'd quite like to have my public health insurance paid), but because in order to be doing this work officially and being on the tax radar I'd need a self-employment licence which costs money - money which I kind of need to pay for rent and food and the like. I'd have paid more taxes were I able to do so without this silly licence, as I could when I did freelance work in the UK.
It's counter-productive burueacracy.

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Message 8 of 46 (619265)
06-09-2011 10:51 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by tesla
06-08-2011 11:50 PM


In addition to wholly endorsing the previous comments, I'll point out that your use of the word "retarded" is inaccurate, juvenile and suggests a shallow vocabulary and intellect.
Have a good day.

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...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist

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Message 9 of 46 (619285)
06-09-2011 11:26 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by frako
06-09-2011 10:39 AM


I'm just a flooring installer that wants to work. I have my van, my tools, and my experiance. But I wasn't making much money while I was in college. I'm out for the summer and they changed the laws.
So in order for me to work, I have to find individuals to work under the table for until I get the license and exemption to be able to work out of legit stores that I am used to working out of.
I go back to school in august, So time is short, money is short, The economy is barley farting, and those who would give me work can't until I can afford the legal set-up.

keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

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Message 10 of 46 (619289)
06-09-2011 11:32 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by tesla
06-09-2011 11:26 AM


Sounds like you need a loan, a rather small one. Perhaps you can use your computer as collateral, or pawn it.
--Percy

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tesla
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Message 11 of 46 (619292)
06-09-2011 11:39 AM
Reply to: Message 10 by Percy
06-09-2011 11:32 AM


Sounds like you need a loan, a rather small one. Perhaps you can use your computer as collateral, or pawn it.
This netbook wouldn’t fetch $75. Everyone I know is broke. I do not own much. And $250 right now might as well be $1000 next to what I can sell or borrow.
The van needs brakes an oil change and the bearings are going out in the water pump.
I'm not selling my tools, because I would get pennies out of the cost of them to replace them.
But all that is beside the point. The law is asking $200 just for me to sign a paper saying if I get hurt no one is liable. And that’s what I’m discussing.

keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

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jar
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Message 12 of 46 (619305)
06-09-2011 12:08 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by tesla
06-09-2011 11:39 AM


tesla writes:
Sounds like you need a loan, a rather small one. Perhaps you can use your computer as collateral, or pawn it.
This netbook wouldn’t fetch $75. Everyone I know is broke. I do not own much. And $250 right now might as well be $1000 next to what I can sell or borrow.
The van needs brakes an oil change and the bearings are going out in the water pump.
I'm not selling my tools, because I would get pennies out of the cost of them to replace them.
But all that is beside the point. The law is asking $200 just for me to sign a paper saying if I get hurt no one is liable. And that’s what I’m discussing.
They should be demanding more.
If you are going to do work, you should be bonded for that work.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 13 of 46 (619307)
06-09-2011 12:13 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by tesla
06-09-2011 11:26 AM


I assume you are a private contractor? Being as such, you are your own business, technically. With that, you have to get the necessary requirements that come along with running your own company. Try being an employee somewhere (if you can) so that the company you work for will take care of the logistics.

"Why don't you call upon your God to strike me? Oh, I forgot it's because he's fake like Thor, so bite me" -Greydon Square

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Message 14 of 46 (619314)
06-09-2011 12:47 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by tesla
06-09-2011 11:39 AM


Sounds like you need to get a job and save some money. Millions of others have done it, why shouldn't you.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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tesla
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Message 15 of 46 (619315)
06-09-2011 12:48 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by hooah212002
06-09-2011 12:13 PM


I assume you are a private contractor? Being as such, you are your own business, technically. With that, you have to get the necessary requirements that come along with running your own company. Try being an employee somewhere (if you can) so that the company you work for will take care of the logistics.
That's what I'm trying to do now. It's a lot less money but it is what it is. There isn't enough work to go around. I'm working for a man now, but he has only supplied one job this week which only paid $100. He doesn’t have the work either, but he does have ambition.
Tomorrow he says he should have some work, and I'll get paid. The money has to fix the van and get the license to work under his insurance. I'm going to give it another week and if i can't take care of the exemption I'll ask around at church for fast food connections and work fast food. I just hope I make enough to keep my apartment until college starts back and my loans kick in.
What I really wanted to examine was not the disparity of my situation, but rather the laws. These insurance costs are what is keeping many ground floor business’s from getting started. A lot of new business licenses are being bought under the title: new business.
The truth is, any employee I hire has to have the same thing under the same title or the cost is more. So all the new business’s springing up are really old business trying to conform to new regulations. In fact, many have gone out of business because of the laws. Because many working were scraping by before the law change, and there isn't enough money left to live on.
So statistically this state can say there is "small business growth" when the truth is the opposite. There is decline. The state is just making more money in a declining economy by charging existing subcontractors more money to work.

keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

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