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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
I recently read an article in The Telegraph(UK Newspaper) concerning The Global Unemployment Crises. Note that this is a global issue, and not simply a U.S. issue.
quote: It seems to me that from what else I have read, I gather that much of the problem stems from the fact that the global wealthy and corporate interests are basically hoarding their money and not spending. When they do hire, it is jobs that pay much less than the jobs that were lost when the current recession started. To me, this is also a perception of unfairness. Why should only the wealthy be able to earn money and determine the value of a worker?? Why is global competition between the emerging countries and the current industrial leaders being forced, and, what are the implications of such a clash??
Telegraph writes: This sort of unrest worries me a lot more than any perceived end of the world scenario from the Christian Right. It portends a coming revolution globally.
It noted that social unrest related to the crisis has been reported in at least 25 countries, including some recovering emerging economies. quote: I don't mind working harder, nor even going back to school if I can, but this sort of competition is a bit unfair. America should look out for its own first,...before simply hiring the stranger across the pond.
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Jon Inactive Member |
Do not confuse the reporting of unrest with its actual occurrence. Perhaps current attention will finally start getting underway certain measures required to fix the problem we have been creating for the past several decades.
Jon Check out the Purple Quill!
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Jon writes: Do not confuse the reporting of unrest with its actual occurrence. Perhaps current attention will finally start getting underway certain measures required to fix the problem we have been creating for the past several decades. Dont tell me that we are overpaid. Wages are now dropping, and we are expected to live on less while working harder. Again, I can accept working harder and attempting to further educate myself...even at my age. I do not think, however, that my government should sell out to the corporate interests and the wealthy that have no preference for American labor over foreign labor. What solutions do you propose, Jon?
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Jon Inactive Member |
Dont tell me that we are overpaid. Wages are now dropping, and we are expected to live on less while working harder. Again, I can accept working harder and attempting to further educate myself...even at my age. I do not think, however, that my government should sell out to the corporate interests and the wealthy that have no preference for American labor over foreign labor. What does that have to do with what I said?
What solutions do you propose, Jon? Solutions for what? Relieving social unrest or getting Phat back his unduly high income? Jon Edited by Jon, : Typos in subtitle Check out the Purple Quill!
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Dont be trite.
you said:
Jon writes: Perhaps current attention will finally start getting underway certain measures required to fix the problem we have been creating for the past several decades. I then asked: What solutions do you propose, Jon? (in other words, what measures need to be undertaken?)
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 802 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
.......getting Phat back his unduly high income? What would you consider to be "unduly high" as far as income is concerned? "What can be asserted without proof, can be dismissed without proof."-Hitch.
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Its a bit of a personal rant that we have had. I work at a unionized grocery store and have worked twenty years...making a wage now of $16.00+ an hour.. which still puts me a bit above the poverty line, had I a family of four.
Lower wages will not help an economy recover. (A U.S. Economy) but they will help emerging and developing nations grow.
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frako Member (Idle past 306 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
well no system is perfect i can tell you about the system in place when slovenija was still in yugoslavia
the system was a mix of communisem and free trade basysicly a combo of the former ussr and the us. the good stuffvery hard to get ritch and very hard to be poor payments 1:6, if the cleaning lady had a wage of 10$ per hour the boss had 60$ factories belonged to the workers health care was in the top 10 of the world anyone who wanted to work could get a job anyone who worked could build/buy a house and pay it of relatively quick you could study whatever you wanted to and get a job later in that field virtualy no homeless people the badsome rights where limited no motivation to work hard do to it being a relatively closed economy shortages of some imports where common like coffe and oil free travel to other countries was allowed tough buying there was limited, one could buy a limmited value of goods in a forighn country and bring them back. why it fell apart well for starters it was composed of 6 nations that do not like each other slovenians, croatian, serbians, bosinans, macedonians, albanians and it had 3 mayor religions that fought for power, muslims, chatolics, protestants. and the fact that we imported more than we exported ment we where running out of money.
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 802 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
America should look out for its own first,...before simply hiring the stranger across the pond. It's quite simple, really. Corporations are looking for cheaper labor. I used to work for Navistar International (the IT subsidiary of International Truck and Engine): a multi-billion dollar company. All of IT got outsourced to IBM. In my department, the data center, there were 4 team leaders and 12 employees. We were replaced with about 3-4 Indians IN INDIA, EACH! Meaning, for each one of us that was laid off, they had 3-4 Indians doing half our job.....and they STILL managed to somehow be saving money doing so! Why would you, as a corporation, continue to pay relatively expensive American salaries if you can get people to work for 1/4 the wage? From a business standpoint, I can see the allure. And since there is nothing stopping them from doing it, it will continue. What I don't see, though, is the ethics involved. But hey, that's Reaganomics for ya. I hate to bring up politics, but the repubs seem to be trying to make sure this sort of practice is not hampered by laws. "What can be asserted without proof, can be dismissed without proof."-Hitch.
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Jon Inactive Member |
Labor is a resource. Getting less of it for more money is inflation. The only way to fix that is to become willing to do more for less; increase output for less in exchange. Anyone wishing otherwise is championing inflation and economic failure.
Jon Check out the Purple Quill!
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
what good does it do to halt inflation if you have to take a 30% salary cut? the point I am making is that we are not helping progress?
Why should corporations be allowed to have no allegiance to the country of their origin? If they insist on doing this, we ought double the taxes on them and force them to help protect our way of life. Edited by Phat, : further explanation
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Jon Inactive Member |
what good does it do to halt inflation if you have to take a 30% salary cut? Do you know what inflation is? Did you read the part about labor being a resource, an input?
If they insist on doing this, we ought double the taxes on them and force them to help protect our way of life. Which taxes will you double? How will they pay for those taxes? Jon Check out the Purple Quill!
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frako Member (Idle past 306 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
what good does it do to halt inflation if you have to take a 30% salary cut? the point I am making is that we are not helping progress? well people do not have enough money to buy their stuff so they haveto make the stuff cheaper by fireing people or cutting wages. Their products get cheaper, cause less money is needed to make them and more can buy it. There is only one tiny problem in all of this the less people are payed the less they can buy. But in typical human fassion no company is looking at that problem all they want is a quick fix so they can start earning big bucks again. Edited by frako, : No reason given.
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Jon writes: Do you know what inflation is? Did you read the part about labor being a resource, an input? First of all, the issue is which resource do you support. The company should help local labor first, in order to help America. Helping India does nothing for anyone but corporate executive paychecks.. You pay your kid to mow the lawn, even if it costs more than hiring the Mexicans. As for inflation, I realize that increasing wages increases prices. We don't seek wage increases...we simply seek to be paid the same, since we already are working harder and contributing more value for our jobs. Americans need to work harder---true---but we should expect this to benefit us and not simply keep us running in place.
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frako Member (Idle past 306 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
You pay your kid to mow the lawn, even if it costs more than hiring the Mexicans. well no it does not cost you more, by paying your kid you invest in him. You teach him the value of money. And he will probably not ask you for more money very soon. would you given only 2 possible options pay a mexican 70$ to mow your lawn, or 100$ to an american. these are the only 2 options and you do not know anyone of them personaly.
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