how exactly does Israel stabilize the Middle East and why do we need Israel?

The topic title really covers the question; how exactly does Israel stabilize the Middle East and why do we need Israel?

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Because Israel is a human rights violator, Israel causes great INSTABILITY in the middle east/world.Universal Declaration of Human Rights - WikipediaThe raid on the boat flotilla in INTERNATIONAL waters and using phosphorus bombs on women and children are two examples:MSN | Outlook, Office, Skype, Bing, Breaking News, and Latest Videos
Video shows evidence of phosphorus bombs in Gaza | Gaza | The GuardianBecause Amerika often supports regimes (Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Israel, Iraq in the 80's, Turkey, Afghanistan, Indonesia, ect) with outrageous human rights records, it causes great instability and sometimes blowback (9/11) in the US/world.Fox "News" viewers would disagree.PS, I think RAZD had an excellent/elegant post somewhere on the forum about this issue. It was somewhat off-topic, so I am having difficulty finding it. If someone can find it, can you link it here?Edited by dronester, : added RAZD comment

I agree those could be seen as destabilizing but in this thread I hope Buz or any who might agree with him could post their supporting evidence that Israel stabilizes the Middle East.

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Actually, people like Buzz, in their upside-down, hate-filled, religion-is-grand world, would ass-backwardly use my atrocities-against-children example as evidence FOR Israel somehow stabilizing the middle east. Smelling The Coffee: 2010; Message 70 of 270 (541724)IMO, people with dimunitive-craniums who voted for Bush Jr. TWICE, secretly and outwardly loved the catastrophies/atrocities Bush Jr. caused in the world.Edited by dronester, : No reason given.Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Made reference a clickable link.

Well if you were the US and you needed a strong position in the Middle East, with nuclear capability, wouldn't that piece of property that Israel sits on look great?They're a menacing threat to any Middle East nation because of their US backing and armament.- Oni

And your solution to the problem is what?Another holocaust?

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Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

How does that piece property add stability? If what was needed was a nuclear threat in the area, how does a fixed base target like Israel afford greater stability than an offshore threat like a ballistic sub?Is a menacing threat to all other middle east nations a stabilizing force?

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

What does that have to do with the question?How exactly does Israel stabilize the Middle East?Why do we need Israel?

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

Of course, when a Palestinian blows up a bus, he makes sure there aren't any women and children in it first, just soldiers.Yes, Israel did some pretty bad stuff, but the Palestinians aren't a happy happy bunch either.

Hey Oni,Your post is good, but I think it important to show where US/Israel's menacing leads . . .Although Iran is also a human rights violator, I completely understand them and every other country wanting nuclear weapon deterents. Afterall, when the US lied about Iraqi WMD and then illegally and immorally invaded, it concretely showed smaller countries their need for nuclear weapon deterents. It would be dumb/suicidal for middle east countries NOT to get nuclear weapons.Amerika's and Israel's actions are leading the world to more terrorism and catastrophic risks. Again, you would have to be a Fox "News" viewer to NOT get this.

Except that is NOT the topic of this thread.This thread is meant to cover only how Israel stabilizes the Middle East and why we need Israel.

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C'mon Huntard, I thought you became enlightened about all this stuff.Yes, the Muslem terrorists do target women and children and it is wrong. But . . .What side (Israel or Palestine) CONTROLS movement, food, employment, water, health, security, human rights, to the point of life or death?BTW, I read the Dutch are removing Afghan troups due to public pressure. Hooray for the Dutch!!!

Oh, I'd like to consider myself "enlightened" , as you put it. Yes, like I said, Israel does some pretty bad stuff, I just wanted to point out that it's not so easy as to point the finger to one party. Both are in the wrong here, maybe one is more wrong than the other, but it takes two to tango. That's not the case however. The reason we're removing from Afghanistan, is because one party of our then coalition government stepped out of the government because they didn't feel comfortable about making a decision to prolong our stay a bit. This meant no official stance could be taken by our government on the issue one way or another (for some reason they're fucking slow with writing out new elections here), and this led to an adherence to a previously made deal that we would depart on 01-08-10. Yes, there was a lot of pressure from the populace, but that was not the reason we went home, it was not a decision made, it was a bureaucratic thing. I'll see how this plays out for the local populace. But giving your dislike of America, you might be interested to know, that due to our leaving, the people we looked over are now in the hands of the Americans and Australians.

You didn't answer my question:What side (Israel or Palestine) CONTROLS movement, food, employment, water, health, security, human rights, to the point of life or death?(and, thanks for the enlightenment about the Dutch removing troops. I obviously haven't read the inside scoop.) Correction, I have a strong dislike for SPECIFIC American policies. The Afghans prefer NOT to be in any foreigner hands. It's most important what the Afghan people want.We are off-topic, sorry Jar.Edited by dronester, : No reason given.

Men with big guns own it. That property, plus Iraq and Afghanistan make for a great military strong hold, or at least presence, in the Middle E. IMO, because it is recognized as a nation versus just an offshore ballistic sub, which is also in that area too. It has been so far, sans Palestine.- Oni