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Anita Meyer
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05-13-2010 3:57 PM


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05-13-2010 6:21 PM
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Hi Anita,
This form of self-publicity is considered as spam. Your book seems interesting, but you will need to discuss it here, not just publicize it; describe us the main subject and how this supports a divine creator, and discuss it with the members here.
I will hide your message for now.

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Anita Meyer
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Message 3 of 139 (560210)
05-13-2010 6:56 PM
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05-13-2010 6:21 PM


Not only Intelligent Design - but DIVINE DESIGN!
Hello all,
I am new to this forum and have come here to share something very special with you. I had discovered something revolutionary that I’m sure all of you here will appreciate. I am also an author who wrote a book about it.
What I had discovered was that the Hebrew letters that were given to Moses on Mount Sinai from G-d (documented in the Bible as being directly inscribed by the Finger of G-d onto the Ten Commandments) are created from natures law. I had discovered that there are mathematical units of growth found in all of nature (such as Pi 3.14, Phi, Fibonacci sequence and the Golden Mean Spiral) that creates "one" prototype form that produces all of the 22 Hebrew letters. In other words, what I had discovered is not only intelligent design, but Divine Design, which lends credence to very strong evidence for G-d’s existence!
To get a better idea of what I am talking about, firstly let me explain more about the mathematical numbers that appear in all of the natural world. We see these mathematical pattern in things like crystals, plants, animals, humans, and all living things. We can even see this mathematical pattern in the life cycle of an atom and its particles (which spiral). For instance we have units of growth that appear in nature such as the Fibonacci sequence that goes like this: 0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89,144, (add the last two numbers together to get the next number 233. We also have the Golden Section numbers which are 0.61803 and 1.61803. The Golden String is 1011010110110101101... A sequence of 0’s and 1’s that is closely related to the Fibonacci numbers and the Golden Section. We also have Pi (3.14) and Phi which is also closely related. Now Pi and Phi works around the Fibonacci sequence and the Golden Mean Spiral. These units of measure are different mathematical units of growth, but they are in cahoots and conspire with each other. They are in a state of relationship and association with each other. One can see these sequences in nature that instructs all living things when deciding how many units to grow next such as in a trees branches and a plants leaves. This series (of adding some quantity) can be seen everywhere in nature. This series is what has come to be called by several names, the numbers of the Fibonacci sequence also (regarded in conjunction with Phi/Pi), increase at a rate equal to oscillating around the Golden Mean Spiral.
In trying to understand our world and everything that happens within and below we must go to the biggest most foundational source which is our Universe. This same unit of growth pattern can be seen in the spiral arms of our Universe. So to simplify things If we're built from Spirals while living in a giant Spiral, then its quite obvious that everything that is within is also infused with the Spiral.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/...1-aHxf8Q/s400/spiral20galaxy.jpg
Now this brings us to the Hebrew letters (The Primordial Language) when we analyze the very first Hebrew letter of the Bible which is the letter B (from the first word - Barashith). Which looks like this:
http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/stickyj/HebrewBet.jpg
Now when we spiral a bendable wire around this Hebrew letter it results in a 3 dimensional view (pictures are in my book) in such a way that exhibits a similar unit of growth (where it starts out with a small hoop and then gradually grows into a bigger hoop and then again a third hoop (which is a mathematical unit of growth similar to the ones in nature). It is 3 dimensional. When we remove this wire form and turn it around in different angles we can begin to see that all the other 22 Hebrew letters become visible depending on the angle one looks at it. For instance if we take this spiral form of the Hebrew letter B and turn it upside-down we now have the Hebrew letter T. Another words this one prototype form, forms all the 22 Hebrew letters. No other alphabet in the world does this!
Here is a picture of the Hebrew letter B again next to the spiral design of a shell. One can see that the shell is almost nearly the Hebrew letter B.
http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/stickyj/HebrewBet.jpg
http://pangea.tec.selu.edu/...250px-Conch_shell_2%5B1%5D.jpg
In my book I go on to show how all the 22 Hebrew letters are formed from this same basic (prototype) mathematical spiraling shape, which to my understanding shows valuable evidence of an intelligence behind the design. Apparently the same synergizing design found in all of the natural world (as explained above). Another words, not only do we have Intelligent Design, we have Divine Design.
I had also discovered that the Hebrew letter "Ayin" is linked to the Great Pyramid of Giza.
If you have any question please ask away.
Edited by Anita Meyer, : No reason given.

Author Anita Meyer anitameyer1@hotmail.com
The Primordial Language - Confirmation of the Divine Creator
http://www.insearchoftheuniversaltruthpubli.../...guage.html

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AdminSlev
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Message 4 of 139 (560363)
05-14-2010 5:04 PM
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05-13-2010 6:56 PM


Re: Not only Intelligent Design - but DIVINE DESIGN!
Hi Anita, I have noticed you have already posted this very same post on other online forums, hence why I haven't promoted it here yet since I am not sure you will participate in it.
Can you assure me that you will take part in the discussion of your thread ?

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Anita Meyer
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From: Kenosha, WI.
Joined: 05-13-2010


Message 5 of 139 (560392)
05-14-2010 9:29 PM
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05-14-2010 5:04 PM


Re: Not only Intelligent Design - but DIVINE DESIGN!
Oh absolutely!
Yes, I know I am getting around on the Internet. I participate on several forums. One of the main forums that I have been on for years is Atlantis Rising, which is part of the Atlantis Rising Magazine if you’ve ever read it. Anyhow, I just thought that I would reach out from my little world and chime in on several other forums. I like to share my knowledge. Your forum is focused on the very topics that I absolutely love!
So yes, if you give me a chance and put me to the challenge, I will certainly stick around.

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05-14-2010 11:34 PM


Thread Copied from Proposed New Topics Forum
Thread copied here from the Not only Intelligent Design - but DIVINE DESIGN! thread in the Proposed New Topics forum.

Coyote
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Message 7 of 139 (560408)
05-15-2010 12:10 AM
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05-13-2010 6:56 PM


Re: Not only Intelligent Design - but DIVINE DESIGN!
Do you have any evidence to present, or is that it?

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Phage0070
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Message 8 of 139 (560410)
05-15-2010 12:28 AM
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05-13-2010 6:56 PM


Re: Not only Intelligent Design - but DIVINE DESIGN!
Anita Meyer writes:
Now when we spiral a bendable wire around this Hebrew letter it results in a 3 dimensional view (pictures are in my book)...
Perhaps you could scan and post some pictures from your book, but I don't see the connection. Of course if you make spirals of wire around a letter it *gasp* will look like a spiral! Because you just made it!
Even if you can establish that the Hebrew alphabet is somehow linked to the mathematics that describe recurring patterns in Earthly life, you still have not established causality. In other words, you don't know if Hebrew was based on observation or what. The airfoil shares many similarities with bird wings, but it does not mean it was divinely inspired.
Furthermore, even if you could prove that Hebrew was divinely inspired you are still far away from establishing the truth of the Biblical account. All the important parts of the Bible, from the account of Christ to great swaths of the Old Testament, were originally oral tradition before being later recorded. There were lots of other things recorded in Hebrew that you don't seem to accept; worship of Baal, or hucksters very similar to Jesus.
Besides, what makes more sense: That God divinely inspired a language and written script which he would use much later to inscribe rules into, and that he expected the divine nature to be puzzled out with great difficulty in order to verify it as divine (and apparently everything else ever written in Hebrew as well)? Or that God simply wrote his rules in the language of the people he was giving them to?
I think you know my vote.

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 9 of 139 (560434)
05-15-2010 7:35 AM
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05-13-2010 6:56 PM


Re: Not only Intelligent Design - but DIVINE DESIGN!
If you have any question please ask away.
When was the last time you were under psychiatric care?
Seriously though, you're talking gibberish without giving any kind of proof for your claims. None of what you said is thus far demonstrable.

"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from mistaken conviction." — Blaise Pascal

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Message 10 of 139 (560435)
05-15-2010 7:55 AM
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05-13-2010 6:56 PM


Re: Not only Intelligent Design - but DIVINE DESIGN!
This same unit of growth pattern can be seen in the spiral arms of our Universe. So to simplify things If we're built from Spirals while living in a giant Spiral, then its quite obvious that everything that is within is also infused with the Spiral.
Surely you mean our galaxy, yes? There are plenty of other non-spiral galaxies.
Other than that, welcome to EvC. I hope Slev didn't let a one hitter quitter in.....

"A still more glorious dawn awaits
Not a sunrise, but a galaxy rise
A morning filled with 400 billion suns
The rising of the milky way"
-Carl Sagan

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Anita Meyer
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Message 11 of 139 (560441)
05-15-2010 9:14 AM


Perhaps you could scan and post some pictures from your book, but I don't see the connection. Of course if you make spirals of wire around a letter it *gasp* will look like a spiral! Because you just made it!
Hello all, in my original posting here, I had supplied a general description and understanding (along with pictures from my book) of my analysis on the Hebrew letters and their connection with Nature and G-d.
Here it is again:
http://www.insearchoftheuniversaltruthpubli.../...nation.pdf
After you read it (and comprehend it) you must then ask yourself, if indeed G-d has put order into all of His creation, (as you have witnessed with the Hebrew letters) how much more would He have put order into His Word - the Bible. There is indeed order which clearly demonstrates Intelligent Design, or as I say, Divine Design.
Enjoy, Love and Light, Anita Meyer
Edited by Anita Meyer, : No reason given.

Author Anita Meyer anitameyer1@hotmail.com
The Primordial Language - Confirmation of the Divine Creator
http://www.insearchoftheuniversaltruthpubli.../...guage.html

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Message 12 of 139 (560452)
05-15-2010 9:55 AM
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05-15-2010 9:14 AM


One word: Inane
After you read it (and comprehend it) you must then ask yourself, if indeed G-d has put order into all of His creation, (as you have witnessed with the Hebrew letters) how much more would He have put order into His Word - the Bible. There is indeed order which clearly demonstrates Intelligent Design, or as I say, Divine Design
Anita, I don't want to be rude because you've obviously invested a lot of time in to your theory and you seem amicable enough, but this is complete nonsense. I don't even know where to begin because it's so off the wall.
You take something with a spiral design and then say, "aha, a spiral design!" Then you take an object and and make a spiral design around that and are amazed for some bizarre reason. And then somehow in all that God ties in to it because of number sequencing.
You should move to the south of France, cut your left ear off and go by the name Vince. Color me unimpressed.

"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from mistaken conviction." — Blaise Pascal

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Message 13 of 139 (560456)
05-15-2010 10:07 AM
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05-13-2010 6:56 PM


Re: Not only Intelligent Design - but DIVINE DESIGN!
What I had discovered was that the Hebrew letters that were given to Moses on Mount Sinai from G-d (documented in the Bible as being directly inscribed by the Finger of G-d onto the Ten Commandments) are created from natures law.
One problem, The Hebrew alphabet didn't exist at the time of Moses. The Hebrew alphabet was an adaptation of the Phoenician alphabet , adapted during the reign of Solomon seveal hundred years after Moses.
Wikipedia writes:
Phoenician became one of the most widely used writing systems, spread by Phoenician merchants across the Mediterranean world, where it was assimilated by many other cultures and evolved. Many modern writing systems thought to have descended from Phoenician cover much of the world. The Aramaic alphabet, a modified form of Phoenician, was the ancestor of the modern Arabic and Hebrew scripts. The Greek alphabet (and by extension its descendants such as the Latin, the Cyrillic and the Coptic), was a direct successor of Phoenician, though certain letter values were changed to represent vowels.
Edited by bluescat48, : missing ]

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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Message 14 of 139 (560460)
05-15-2010 10:22 AM
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Re: Not only Intelligent Design - but DIVINE DESIGN!
You've seen Moses's tablets? So you know that they are in the same font as later Hebrew writing?
Color me unimpressed, too.

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Message 15 of 139 (560465)
05-15-2010 10:38 AM
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05-13-2010 6:56 PM


I Know Something That You Haven't Discovered*
I had [sic] discovered
What I had [sic] discovered was [sic]
mathematical units that creates [sic]
what I had discovered is [sic]
As an author who has yet to master verb agreement, how came you to master the mind of God? Arrogant much? (That last of course is rhetorical. I can see that you do.)
Did you know that:
  • Abraham Lincoln was elected to Congress in 1846.
    John F. Kennedy was elected to Congress in 1946.
  • Abraham Lincoln was elected President in 1860.
    John F. Kennedy was elected President in 1960.
  • Lincoln's secretary was named Kennedy.
    Kennedy's secretary was named Lincoln.
  • Both Presidents were shot in the head.
  • Both Presidents died on a Friday.
Did you know that if one is allowed to pick and choose which bits of data to apply/report one can pretty much make an argument for anything?
Did you know that when gold was discovered at Sutter's Mill the report was not proceeded by "To get [sic] a better idea of what I am talking about, firstly let me explain more about specific density of materials that appear in all of the natural world."?
Did you know that in trying to understand our world and everything that happens within and below we must first examine those data most immediately at hand and not assume the biggest most foundational source which, may or may not be our Universe if that phrase has any meaning at all, which is doubtful?
Did you know that
a bet (ב) made of brazing rod wrapped in bendable, machinist's wire
has properties remarkably similar those of a Fisher-Price Little People®
wrapped in bendable, machinist's wire?
*This is not just a cheap shot at your English grammar; there is also style and composition: economy, precision, rhythm, voice, vocabulary, conformity But I needn't go on.
‡ Noting the pig tail extending from the upper left, this is a clear case of reporting bias information.
AbE: Thought "barashith" was the name of the first letter in the Hebrew alphabet. Looked it up and found it was actually the first word in the bible, so I came back to correct my error and change "barashith" to "Bet".
AbE2: Yes, I did eventually notice I made an ח (Het) rather than a ב (Bet), but I left it be because I don't really care that much about the quality of the evidence in this argument.
Edited by lyx2no, : AbE.
Edited by lyx2no, : AbE2.
Edited by lyx2no, : Add (Het) and (Bet).

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