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opfresco Junior Member (Idle past 5238 days) Posts: 2 Joined: |
I'm a new user so go easy.
Ok. Here we go...I may have some trouble adequately explaining my query. We are able to look to distant stars, galaxies etc and effectively "see the past". Why are there (ignoring technological barriers) events that have occurred that we cannot see i.e. the light has not reached us yet? My query is based on the premise that all matter origated from a singularity. Did this original "explosion" happen at faster than the speed of light? For the purposes of discussion, I come from a purely scientific standpoint.
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Admin Director Posts: 13023 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.0 |
Thread copied here from the The Big Bang and the visible past. thread in the Proposed New Topics forum.
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined:
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I'm a new user so go easy. Welcome!
Why are there (ignoring technological barriers) events that have occurred that we cannot see i.e. the light has not reached us yet? My query is based on the premise that all matter origated from a singularity. Did this original "explosion" happen at faster than the speed of light?
It's a good question. The first thing is that "explosion" is strictly in quote marks. "Expansion" is probably a better word. The galaxies we can't see (or may one day lose sight of) are not travelling away from us at any special speed. The amount of space between the two has increased primarily because space itself is expanding - if the rate of expansion outpaces the speed of light then the light never reaches us. Its a bit like the 'stretching corridor nightmare', no matter how long the light 'runs' it will never reach the door because more and more corridor seems to be made (or the existing corridor is stretched further and further forever (or maybe it'll 'snap' back at some point?). I should probably note: the more space that seperates two galaxies - the greater the effect, making for cumulative effect where objects seems to be receding faster the further away they are. Edited by Modulous, : No reason given.
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opfresco Junior Member (Idle past 5238 days) Posts: 2 Joined: |
Think I'm beginning to get this...I've heard different analogies to describe this expansion. Ants on a balloon etc.
Really appreciate you're reply. Fantastic forum by the way!
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Yrreg Member (Idle past 4947 days) Posts: 64 Joined: |
Opfresco writes: I'm a new user so go easy.Ok. Here we go...I may have some trouble adequately explaining my query. We are able to look to distant stars, galaxies etc and effectively "see the past". Why are there (ignoring technological barriers) events that have occurred that we cannot see i.e. the light has not reached us yet? My query is based on the premise that all matter origated from a singularity. Did this original "explosion" happen at faster than the speed of light? For the purposes of discussion, I come from a purely scientific standpoint. You see, the Big Bang was arrived at by mathematics working on things that can be detected with man made instrumentation. Now that mathematics took into account what we might call things in the observable (by man's senses) universe, and time and space, to go all the way back to a point which they call the singularity. At this point scientists who are atheists have censored their intelligence to not go further. So, if you are an atheist you should not go further with your intelligence. Yrreg
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Huntard Member (Idle past 2317 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
Hello Yrreg, and welcome to EvC!
Yrreg writes:
Yes.
Now that mathematics took into account what we might call things in the observable (by man's senses) universe, and time and space, to go all the way back to a point which they call the singularity. At this point scientists who are atheists have censored their intelligence to not go further.
No. They can't got further, that's what "singularity" means.
So, if you are an atheist you should not go further with your intelligence.
Even if you're not an atheist, you can't go further.
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cavediver Member (Idle past 3666 days) Posts: 4129 From: UK Joined:
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At this point scientists who are atheists have censored their intelligence to not go further. That's right. When I was in full-time cosmological research, as an evangelical Christian I had a huge advantage over my atheist colleagues, and I made many discoveries that they were simply unable to comprehend. All major discoveries in pre-big-bang physics have been made by Christians. No Jews, mind. Never Jews.
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frako Member (Idle past 328 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
So, if you are an atheist you should not go further with your intelligence. well you can hypothesise but whitout data you cant conclude much so thats why we build things like the hadron colider so we can get some data which can help us to understand
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nwr Member Posts: 6409 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Yrreg writes:
Of course not.At this point scientists who are atheists have censored their intelligence to not go further. The science only takes you so far. But you are not prevented from going beyond that, so there is no censorship. It's just that it is no longer science. It is speculation. Oh, and some scientists do speculate about such things. But they understand that it is speculation.
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jar Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Wouldn't a Hindu be able to discover things further in the past than a Christian?
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4413 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Well, as a Baby-Boomer back in the '60s and '70s, I could see all the way back before the beginning AND the outside from the inside.
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python You can't build a Time Machine without Weird Optics -- S. Valley
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Yrreg Member (Idle past 4947 days) Posts: 64 Joined: |
Is that attitude intelligent, not to go further than the big bang?
Suppose you ask yourself the question that point that is the big bang, mathematics reached to that point, but your mind is not all mathematics is it? That is what you have encapsulated your mind if you cannot think any further than you can do so with mathematics. That is self-censorship. And censorship is not an intelligent attitude in anything that has to do with more knowledge. Yrreg
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frako Member (Idle past 328 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
dude did you read any of the replies above
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Blue Jay Member (Idle past 2720 days) Posts: 2843 From: You couldn't pronounce it with your mouthparts Joined: |
Hi, Yrreg.
Yrreg writes: Suppose you ask yourself the question that point that is the big bang, mathematics reached to that point, but your mind is not all mathematics is it? That is what you have encapsulated your mind if you cannot think any further than you can do so with mathematics. In many ways, mathematics is more reliable than anything else your brain does, so the part of your brain that doesn't think mathematically is going to be generally much less helpful than the part that does. -----
Yrreg writes: And censorship is not an intelligent attitude in anything that has to do with more knowledge. Right, because the search for knowledge is improved substantially by indiscriminately incorporating all the crap that comes out of human brains. Edited by Bluejay, : "does" instead of "is" Edited by Bluejay, : No reason given. -Bluejay (a.k.a. Mantis, Thylacosmilus) Darwin loves you.
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3985 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 7.2 |
If I had realized the cosmological preeminence of my shamanic powers, I'd never have let them lapse.
Have you ever been to an American wedding? Where's the vodka? Where's the marinated herring?! -Gogol Bordello Real things always push back.-William James
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