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Author | Topic: Do Cells know they're part of something bigger? | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
tabularasa Inactive Member |
I learned in high school that the order of living organization is:
CellTissue Organ Organ System Organism It makes perfect sense. Only, I wonder if on some level a cell has conciousness. Does it understand it's position? Is it possible that it might have inteligence?An added question/theory: I wonder if it is impossible that we also might be part of something bigger. Could you say that the Eco-system might be in and of itself an organism? What if life itself is a being? Why else would all life on earth be writen in the same four letter of DNA? GCAT? The only difference between you and a plant is how your letters are arranged, and how many of them there are. What if life on earth is a sentient being with awareness and intelect? What if DNA is God's language, and we are all in God's image because we are alive? Think about it. The eco-system has a very advanced homeostasis procedure. Like a human body, nature can heal itself. It is very human of us to put ourseves at the top of the evolutionary ladder, but what if we were all REALLY just a part of something bigger? What if? I think that might explain on a different level disease, deity, homosexuality, and a whole slew of other things. What if the real order is: CellTissue Organ Organ System Individual Organism Supreme Organism Please don't judge this idea until you've really asked yourself all the questions. I'd love some feedback on it. [This message has been edited by tabularasa, 07-12-2003]
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tabularasa Inactive Member |
And if brain cells are self aware, do you think they have superiority complexes?
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 1049 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
I don't know about "conciousness," but cells most assuredly "know" quite a bit about where they are and what they need to do next. You and I started out as zygotes whose individual cells migrated, differentiated, etc., depending on where they were in the little ball of dividing cells. Bacteria in biofilms take on different roles depending on position.
But I'll leave the philosophy alone, except for the old speculation that our entire universe is an elementary particle - maybe an electron - in some other universe. [This message has been edited by Coragyps, 07-12-2003]
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Gzus Inactive Member |
LOL......
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nator Member (Idle past 2484 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
Yeah, and then we could all wear cool black leather outfits and sunglasses when we were inside the Matrix.
We have to take the pill first, though... [sorry, couldn't resist. It's in the program]
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Andya Primanda Inactive Member |
I have some doubts against the idea that Nature's some kind of superorganism. I agree that cells somehow 'know' if they are part of something bigger; and to some extent, some individual organisms know that they're part of a society. Termites, ants, aphids make a familiar example. But to claim that all of Nature is one superorganism, then how could it have members that kill, exploit, or antagonize each other?
The apparent homeostasis and benign-ness of Nature as I see it is just the ghost of past competition. Those who couldn't keep up with changes in nature are doomed. We see only survivors now.
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Peter Member (Idle past 1793 days) Posts: 2161 From: Cambridgeshire, UK. Joined: |
quote: No. A cell is a bio-machine 'programmed' from it's inception toperform a certain function. I use all of the above terms loosely, rather than literally. I do not believe that a multi-cellular organism could existif each cell had 'intellegence' or 'conciousness'. Just my opinion, naturally.
quote: Only as a loose analogy ... eco-systems do not reproduce, forexample. quote: It's just the way it happened. Reading some grand design intoit after the fact may be comforting, but there is not evidential basis for doing so. quote: Very human and entirely inappropriate. What would be the evidence for this?What 'bigger' thing are we part of? A super-eco-organism? Perhaps in the future we will all become one with nature????
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JONATHAN_KERPACUS Inactive Junior Member |
DONT WISE UP......YOU SOUND LIKE YOU ARE A ATHEIST...YOUR CHOICE..
BUT PERSONALLY I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A SIMPLE CHOICE...ITS COST FREE....AND TAKES VIRTUALLY NO ENERGY EXCEPT A BIT OF THOUGHT... YOU MAY WANT TO "DIE" HOWEVER, PERSONALLY I LIKE LIFE...AND I WILL CHOOSE TO CONTINUE TO EXIST....TO THINK THAT ALL THINGS ARE ONLY COIENCIDENCES...I.E. GENETIC CODES...IS LUDACRIS...... YEA ALL THESE HAPPENSTANCES......LMAO......PEOPLE WISE UP!!!!!!! IF YOU COMPARE IT TO I.E. LOTTERIES....THE CHANCES OF ALL THE SCIENTIFIC COIENCIDENCES....ARE LIKE A GOGAPLEX TO ONE....OR A GOOGAPLEX OF GOOGAPLEXES TO ONE.....OR INFINITE GOGAPLEXES TO ONE....GET THE PICTURE....THE ODDS OF ALL HAPPENING BY COIDENDENCE IS HAMMERED BY ODDS!!!!!!!!!!!!IT JUST AINT GONNA JUST HAPPEN... I MADE UP A NEW TERM....MIRACULOUS COIENCIDENCES.....THERE YOU GO...YOU WILL BE HEARNING FROM ME MUCH MORE....
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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
quote: So... you're saying that this is the supreme being?
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Peter Member (Idle past 1793 days) Posts: 2161 From: Cambridgeshire, UK. Joined: |
Do you mind not shouting
![]() quote: I have put more than 'A BIT' of thought into it over the years,and yes I am 'A ATHEIST' quote: Not sure what the dying thing has to do with anything... The probabilities thing is LUDACRIS though. Check through all thethreads here and you'll find all kinds of refutations of that line of reasoning. It's only MIRACULOUS COIENCIDENCES if you assume that theextant set of critters on the planet was intended to be here from the start ... ToE makes no such assumption.
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John Inactive Member |
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Mammuthus Member (Idle past 6790 days) Posts: 3085 From: Munich, Germany Joined: |
Is this where you keep your googaplexes?
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DC85 Member Posts: 876 From: Richmond, Virginia USA Joined: |
yes I too wonder if the universe is Part of something bigger. but we will never know there is no point in wondering really........
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Peter Member (Idle past 1793 days) Posts: 2161 From: Cambridgeshire, UK. Joined: |
How can the universe be part of something bigger -- that
would just be more universe wouldn't it? Or did you mean meta-physically?
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zephyr Member (Idle past 4865 days) Posts: 821 From: FOB Taji, Iraq Joined: |
quote:I'm 110% sure that you're right. ![]() What happened to Mr. Kerpacus anyway? If we don't "HEARN" from him again, this thread could end up *gasp* back on topic! I think the idea of all of us being part of a larger consciousness is interesting. What if the earth were aware of itself as the sum of our interaction, humans and animals and volcanoes and moving water, and aware of how minute and varied it all is? Maybe humanity would just be a short-lived headache, and viruses and prions a cocktail of painkillers. However... I don't think the idea ever gets past the realm of amusing speculation. Consciousness in general is so hard to define (since all of our thought exists within it) that the discussion will probably stay in that area. As far as our cells being conscious, I'd think that would require a mechanism to transport signals within a cell like our neural impulses.
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