randman writes:
In terms of creationist and ID scientists, you are falsely maligning them since they do a great deal of work developing models and doing research.
Then why do you want to focus the attention of your thread on what's wrong with evolution instead of on the new and better models being proposed by Creationists?
You see, the problem with Creationism isn't just that they criticize evolution, but that they fail to propose a better model, or more often, they fail to propose any competing model at all. However good or bad you think the TOE is as a model for understanding life's diversity, in order to replace it you have to come up with a better model. When a Creationist says, for example, that he doesn't accept evolution's explanation for the eye, he needs to propose a better explanation. If we were to allow Creationism representation in science classrooms when they have no effective model, it would mean that after the teacher presented evolution's hypothesis for the eye, Creationism would have no more to say than, "We don't know, but evolution didn't do it."
If Creationists are actually doing all this research and model development then they need to show this by using these new principles to develop new medicines and crops and breeds and so forth, and they need to bring these discoveries to the halls of science where they can be examined and criticized and developed, just like all other science.
A real science moves forward. That's how you know that ESP and alien visitations are very likely not real phenomena. Creationists were leveling the same criticisms at the scientific establishment 20 years ago for rejecting Creation Science as they are today for rejecting ID. But now after all the ugly aspersions tossed at evolutionists over the years Creation Science is being abandoned as the theory being marketed. Now it's ID, and all the same ugly names are being tossed about. If Creationists could just toss science instead of names, if they could play science instead of politics, they'd fair much better.
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