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Fosdick 
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Message 1 of 10 (487880)
11-06-2008 11:47 AM


Adminnemo, thank you for proving my point in Message 1.

The first lesson of philosophy is that we may all be mistaken. ”Will Durant

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Message 2 of 10 (487958)
11-06-2008 10:30 PM
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11-06-2008 11:47 AM


OK, I'll bite
Adminnemo, thank you for proving my point in Message 1.
What is your point?
The term "Wittgenstein" means absolutely nothing to me, and I feel no obligation to research it.
Adminnemooseus
Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Added another sentence.

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Message 3 of 10 (487976)
11-07-2008 7:35 AM
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11-06-2008 11:47 AM


Hi Hoot Mon,
Your harping on gay issues is bringing you into conflict with the Forum Guidelines on a consistent basis. I'm requesting that you cease raising gay issues, and that you cease participation in discussions touching even remotely on gay issues. The first violation of this request will result in a permanent suspension. Please keep in mind that since the board restructuring in January that no permanent suspension has ever been reversed.

--Percy
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Message 4 of 10 (488015)
11-07-2008 11:41 AM
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11-07-2008 7:35 AM


This forum is too good to have a Taboo Topic X
Percy, you've got one of the best forums of this genre on the Internet. You've attracted some of the best writers, thinkers, and funny people available, who are always stimulating and draw favorable attention to your site. I've learned a great deal here”something like being on a college campus again. And this is why it seems so out of character for this site to have a designated Taboo Topic X. It is as if a forum on human health has decided to ban all discussions on flatulence and bowel movements.
In my private reality, nothing is prohibited from being discussed. But I'll respect your private reality, especially since you are the generous one who gives us EvC. Taboo Topic X will not be raised again by me. But I predict that it will not go away, because it is a measure of the evolution of human consciousness, and because it criers out for scientific analysis.
Suspend me or ban me if you must, if only for violating a posting law. Your site will still have truck with me. (btw: the oft dubious enforcements of the admins are part of the fun here, too.)
”HM

The first lesson of philosophy is that we may all be mistaken. ”Will Durant

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Message 5 of 10 (488017)
11-07-2008 11:50 AM
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11-06-2008 10:30 PM


Re: OK, I'll bite
Adminnemo writes:
What is your point?
The term "Wittgenstein" means absolutely nothing to me, and I feel no obligation to research it.
My point is this Message 4. ("What we cannot speak about we must pass over in silence.")

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Message 6 of 10 (488148)
11-08-2008 7:14 AM
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11-07-2008 11:41 AM


Re: This forum is too good to have a Taboo Topic X
Because of your history, gay issues are off limits for you. They're not off limits for anyone else.

--Percy
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Message 7 of 10 (488161)
11-08-2008 11:37 AM
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11-08-2008 7:14 AM


Re: This forum is too good to have a Taboo Topic X
Percy, I am a reformed EvC poster, per your authoritarian admonition. I'm staying out of other people's business from now on.
”FTF

I can see Lower Slobovia from my house.

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Message 8 of 10 (488253)
11-09-2008 6:20 AM
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11-08-2008 11:37 AM


Re: This forum is too good to have a Taboo Topic X
You are a true master of irony!

--Percy
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Deftil
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Message 9 of 10 (488351)
11-10-2008 9:24 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by Adminnemooseus
11-06-2008 10:30 PM


Re: OK, I'll bite
The term "Wittgenstein" means absolutely nothing to me, and I feel no obligation to research it.
Ludwig Wittgenstein was a philosopher and generaly a brilliant man of Austrian descent. He lived from 1889 to 1951 and ended up spending a lot of time in England becoming something of Bertrand Russell's protege. Wittgenstein's thought had a particularly significant impact in the philosophy of language. In his influential book Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus he said "What we cannot speak about we must pass over in silence." Here's some background and insight into that quote:
quote:
In rough order, the first half of the book sets forth the following theses:
The world consists of independent atomic facts ” existing states of affairs ” out of which larger facts are built.
Language consists of atomic, and then larger-scale propositions that correspond to these facts by sharing the same "logical form".
Thought, expressed in language, "pictures" these facts.
We can analyse our thoughts and sentences to express ("express" as in show, not say) their true logical form.
Those we cannot so analyze, cannot be meaningfully discussed.
Philosophy consists of no more than this form of analysis: "Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darber mu man schweigen" ("Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent").
Ludwig Wittgenstein - Wikipedia
I think Wittgenstein was quite an interesting man.
quote:
Considered by some to be the greatest philosopher of the 20th century, Ludwig Wittgenstein played a central, if controversial, role in 20th-century analytic philosophy. He continues to influence current philosophical thought in topics as diverse as logic and language, perception and intention, ethics and religion, aesthetics and culture. There are two commonly recognized stages of Wittgenstein's thought ” the early and the later ” both of which are taken to be pivotal in their respective periods. The early Wittgenstein is epitomized in his Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus. By showing the application of modern logic to metaphysics, via language, he provided new insights into the relations between world, thought and language and thereby into the nature of philosophy. It is the later Wittgenstein, mostly recognized in the Philosophical Investigations, who took the more revolutionary step in critiquing all of traditional philosophy including its climax in his own early work. The nature of his new philosophy is heralded as anti-systematic through and through, yet still conducive to genuine philosophical understanding of traditional problems.
Ludwig Wittgenstein (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)

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Message 10 of 10 (488352)
11-10-2008 9:45 AM
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11-10-2008 9:24 AM


Re: OK, I'll bite
In short, Wittgenstein was a beery swine who was just as sloshed as Schlegel .

Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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