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Author Topic:   Robert Gentry: Granite as a "Genesis Rock"
rightw/god
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Message 1 of 9 (208385)
05-15-2005 3:03 PM


I've spent the last few days studying and reading up on the recent findings of this guy. This is something I found interisting. Tell me what you think.
Granite is the bedrock on which all the continents lie on. This makes it, in a sense, the most important rock on the planet. Most evolutionists believe that the earth created the bedrock over millions of years of cooling and hardening. He claims to have proven the earth was formed in less than 3 minutes. Granite can be melted and hardened into Rhyolite. Nothing can be melted and hardened into rhyolite. Therefore, granite is a "creation rock" since it cannot be artificially produced. Before this, granite was believed to be an igneous rock, but no actual granite as been found as a result of lava flow.
{Paragraph deleted - Please see message 4, which contains the deleted text, and my reasons for deleting it. - Adminnemooseus}
{Changed topic title from "Anybody ever heard of Robert Gentry?" to "Robert Gentry: Granite as a "Genesis Rock"". - Adminnemooseus
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Message 2 of 9 (208399)
05-15-2005 3:51 PM
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05-15-2005 3:03 PM


The alleged geologist non-admin mode (minnemooseus) finds the Gentry and/or rightw/god position to be badly flawed, but the admin mode does see this topic and its opening message to be a good launching point to a discussion that hasn't previously happened here at .
Will promote topic. Stand by.
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Message 3 of 9 (208401)
05-15-2005 3:53 PM


Thread moved here from the Proposed New Topics forum.

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Message 4 of 9 (208412)
05-15-2005 4:38 PM
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05-15-2005 3:03 PM


Note: Adminnemooseus did some content editing in message 1
Gentry proved his theory by finding the age of halos inside the granite. the half life of them all was extraordinarily close. Based on this theory many people now refer to granite as a "Genesis Rock"
I may have been a bit premature in approving this topic. I request that the above quoted be excluded from the discussion in this topic. Look for topics in the Dates and Dating forum, if you wish to discuss "halos".
Admins do not normally edit messages for content, but I am going to do a rare exception to the rule, and delete that paragraph. The deleted text will be preserved in this message.
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Message 5 of 9 (208466)
05-15-2005 7:35 PM
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Re: Note: Adminnemooseus did some content editing in message 1
ok go ahead

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Message 6 of 9 (208474)
05-15-2005 8:05 PM
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05-15-2005 3:03 PM


Granite can be melted and hardened into Rhyolite. Nothing can be melted and hardened into rhyolite. Therefore, granite is a "creation rock" since it cannot be artificially produced.
Don't you mean in the second sentence, "Nothing can be melted and hardened into granite" rather than rhyolite?
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Message 7 of 9 (208499)
05-15-2005 9:51 PM
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05-15-2005 3:03 PM


rightw/god writes:
Granite can be melted and hardened into Rhyolite. Nothing can be melted and hardened into rhyolite.
As Faith said, you meant nothing can be melted and hardened into granite?
Before this, granite was believed to be an igneous rock, but no actual granite as been found as a result of lava flow.
Actually, granite IS an igneous rock. Granite forms from molten rock through crystallization and therefore it's igneous.
You're correct, however, in stating that no granite has been found as a result of lava flow - it never will be. Lava is molten material that has been extruded onto the surface of the earth. Rhyolite forms from lava and is the extrusive equivalent of granite. Granite is emplaced and crystallizes (i.e.,cools) at depth within the earth's interior - it's also called a plutonic rock.

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Message 8 of 9 (208619)
05-16-2005 11:31 AM
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05-15-2005 3:03 PM


Similarly, diamonds can't be made by crystallizing molten carbon at atmospheric pressure. This, however, doesn't put all the people that sell synthetic diamonds out of business - they just had to adjust the conditions of pressure and temperature to those where diamond crystals can grow. Granite will form from a melt if the pressure and temperature are right, and if enough time is allowed for crystallization to proceed. It may well be that granite hasn't been made in the laboratory because that time is longer than the amount of time you can keep a pressurized oven at the right numbers, or that the time is longer than a grad student will stay in school. Granite is forming every day down under some volcano somewhere........

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Message 9 of 9 (208748)
05-16-2005 5:33 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by rightw/god
05-15-2005 3:03 PM


Unpromoting this topic - Closing - Sorry
I have decided that I made a substantial mistake in promoting this topic from the "Proposed New Topics" forum. I should have asked for revisions.
The geologic thoughts of message 1 are badly flawed (non-admin mode opinion). Despite or perhaps because of this, I (admin mode) thought the topic had a lot of potential for interesting discussion - Thus I got over enthusiastic and did the promotion.
I encourage you to submit a new version of your thoughts of this topic, as a new "Proposed New Topic". As per what I already said in this topic, please keep the halo considerations out of the message. They have been and are better covered in the "Dates and Dating" forum.
I do like the topic potential. But I do think it needs to get off to a better start.
I suggest Granite as a "Genesis Rock" as the new topic title. You can mention Robert Gentry in the text of message 1.
Closing this version of the topic.
Other than the proposing a new topic, responses to this message should go to the "Considerations" topic, link below.
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