World religions

World Religions:If anyone says that his/her religion is the only path to God and that other paths lead to hell, I have one humble question. The question is for every religion without any trace of partiality. The simple question is: Today I have heard your Religion and if I follow that, I reach God and if I refuse I will go to the hell for my own fault. This is very much reasonable. But before your ancestors discovered our country, the literature or even the name of your religion was not known to our ancestor and he could not reach God for no fault of him. But your ancestor reached God through your religion at that time.Even if I assume that my ancestor will take rebirth now and will follow your religion to reach God, such possibility is ruled out because you say that there is no rebirth for the soul. Thus my ancestor suffered forever for no fault of him and the responsibility for this falls on the partiality of God. Had the God been impartial, He could have revealed your religion to all the countries at a time. Had that happened, my ancestor might have also reached God as your ancestor. Therefore your statement proves your own God partial.The only way left over to you to make your God impartial is that you must accept that your God appeared in all the countries at a time in various forms and preached your path in various languages. The same form did not appear everywhere and the same language does not exist everywhere. The syllabus and explanation are one and the same, though the media and teachers are different. Can you give any alternative reasonable answer to my question other than this? Certainly not! Any person of any religion to any other religion can pose this question.Moreover every religion states that their God only created this world. Unfortunately this world is one only and every God cannot create the same world. There are no many worlds to justify that each God created His own world. Therefore any human being with an iota of commonsense has to agree that there is only one impartial God who created this one world and He came in different forms to different countries and preached the same path in all the languages simultaneously at one time.Let this logic sword of the divine knowledge cut the rigid conservatism of the religious fans in this world to establish the Universal Peace. I need not beg all these religious followers to be united and harmonious to each other for the sake of world peace. Such begging appeals are made enough in the past. The religious fans feel that there is no unity really in the religions but they have to be united since their kind hearts melted by these appeals. Thus a temporary change was only brought. At the maximum one generation of the followers got united. The next generation fights with each other because they feel that there is no real unity in them due to lack of the real unity in their religious scriptures.A permanent solution for this does not lie in the begging appeals, which may or may not unite the followers. Even if the appeals unite such unity is not permanent. If the real unity in all the religious scriptures is exposed through the logical divine knowledge, the followers have to be united for generations together. Therefore, My attack is not on the hearts of the followers through love and kindness. My attack is on all the religious scriptures through intellectual logical analysis of divine knowledge. The unity of hearts through love can be only temporary. The unity of brains through intellectual analytical divine knowledge will be permanent. Hearts agree but brains realize. Agreement is temporary, but realization is permanent. Thus this is My first blow of My divine Conch shell for the permanent unity of all the religions aiming at eternal Universal Peace.At Thy Lotus FeetAnil AntonyUniversal Spirituality | Shri Datta Swami
Universal Spirituality for World Peace
antonyanil@universal-spirituality.org

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Hi, Every religion does not state this.Buddhism seems to be an exception, with no god and no creation myth.Coming to think of it, does Taoism have a god and a creation story, and what about Confucianism any god there?Brian.

The spiritual knowledge should come directly from the Lord. If He sends His messenger, the messenger is not capable of delivering all the points as told by the Lord and is also incapable of explaining in excellent manner as explained by the Lord. Therefore, the knowledge delivered by the messenger is not as excellent as delivered by the Lord directly. This is the main reason for the Lord to enter the human body to preach the divine knowledge. But if the Lord in human body declares that He is the Lord directly speaking, people become jealous because they think the human incarnation as human being only, since they always see the external body only. They misunderstand that the human being is claiming himself as God. They cannot tolerate this due to their inherent jealousy and egoism towards the co-human beings. To solve this problem of majority of the people, the human incarnation has to say that He is only the messenger of God. Prophet Mohammad was really the human incarnation. But he never claimed himself as God due to this problem of majority. He said that He was only the messenger of God and that Q'ran was massage of God. Therefore, this Holy Scripture belongs to the angle of majority. The devotees who can realise the human incarnation are always very few only. To this minority the prophet can personally say that he is God or at least he is son of God. The message to minority need not be recorded, which can be orally delivered in person. Thus, Q'ran is a scripture for the majority. On the other hand Gita was the scripture of extreme minority, since Gita was told to Arjuna only. In Gita, Krishna told that He is the Lord. Here you must realize that the Lord is speaking through the human body of Krishna. In between the Q'ran and Gita lies Bible. Jesus told that He is the messenger of the God, which is the message for the majority. He also told that He is God, which is the message for extreme minority. In between lies the minority for which He said that He is Son of God. Thus, Bible is the message covering all the three phases of public, which are majority, minority and extreme minority. As we pass from one end to the other end in the above order, the egoism and jealousy reduce from 100 to 50 to 0.For majority dualism (Dvaita), for minority (Visista Advaita) and for extreme minority monism (Advaita) are preached by the human incarnation. Thus, in Christianity and Hinduism you can find all the three concepts. But in Islam you can find only Dvaita. You should not mistake that Islam is incomplete due to absence of the other two concepts. The merit in Islam is that no human being can claim himself as God and thus there is no danger of false human incarnation. But in Hinduism and Christianity there is always danger of fraud human incarnations. Again you should not criticize Hinduism and Christianity due to this danger. Assuming the possibility of danger of accident, will you avoid journey by bus or train or aeroplane? Thus, the positive and negative angles must be understood according to the context. However, in Christianity also, the danger is avoided because the Christians do not accept any other human incarnation as God except Jesus. Hinduism accepts every human incarnation as God. Thus, you can pass from Islam to Christianity to Hinduism. There is no danger in Islam and Christianity. In Islam no human incarnation is accepted. This is extremity to avoid the danger. In Christianity Jesus was accepted as human incarnation but no other human incarnation was accepted to avoid the danger of exploitation of fraud human incarnations. Thus, in Islam the concept was not admitted. In Christianity the concept was admitted but was limited to Jesus only to avoid the danger. In Christianity the statement “Jesus will come again” completes the concept because it indicates that the human incarnation is again possible. Thus, the concept is completed in Bible. But by believing that Jesus comes only at the end of this creation, all the other human incarnations till the end are rejected. Thus, the concept is completed in theory but not completed in practical. In Hinduism the concept is completed in theory as well as in practical. Gita says that Krishna will come again and again whenever it is necessary (Yadayadahi..). This means that the human incarnation will come again and again in several places and in several religions in even one human generation, because there is necessity for such facility. Thus, in Hinduism the concept is completed in theory and practical, but the danger is always full.Thus, Hinduism recognises several human incarnations of Lord Datta (Krishna) as in the case of Sri Pada Vallabha, Sri Narasimha Saraswati, Sri Akkalkota Maharaj, Sri Sai Baba, etc. Hinduism recognises Buddha also as the human incarnation. Broad minded Hinduism recognises even Jesus, Mohammad, Mahaveer etc., also as human incarnations born in different religions. The universal spirituality is such broad minded Hinduism which is the broad minded Christianity, the broad minded Islam, the broad minded Buddhism and broad minded science. The Universal Spirituality contradicts and is prepared to argue with all religions limited with conservatism, provided these religions are prepared to accept the truth with open mind. The science with conservatism is atheism. When you realize all the three religions, namely Hinduism, Christianity and Islam, you will achieve the total concept, which is the universal spirituality. All the religions are different angles of the same central concept. You must observe the centre through all the angles from all the sides. Then only you can realise the total comprehensive central concept. Now you must see through the angles of Buddhism and science also. Buddhism speaks about the God present in the human incarnation by keeping silent about God. Silence means that God is beyond words and imagination. It does not indicate the absence of God. Buddhism is misunderstood as atheism. The time wheel (Kala Chakra) and the revolving bright wheel (Sudarsana Chakra) indicate that the time is constantly moving and that you will meet the death certainly one day or other. It indicates that you should hurry in detaching yourself from the world and that you should attach to the Lord as early possible.

Brain;The scriptures of Jainism and Buddhism preach only the ethical rules and living for justice without mentioning the name of God. In this level the fear that one gets in doing sins is only from courts and police. He will think to avoid these courts and police by bribe and thus he fails to succeed in Pravrutti. Since there is no mention of God, there is no question of pleasing God. If you see the scripture of Islam, it mentions God Allah and the eternal hell. At least the fear for the hell controls the sins. But the blind attraction in the worldly bonds is so intensive that it over comes this fear also, and so people are doing sins. If you see scripture of Bible and Geeta, Nivrutti is exposed very well. Bible says that you have to hate all these worldly bonds for the sake of Lord. Geeta emphasises the attraction towards the Lord. When this attraction to these worldly bonds is shifted to Lord, then only the establishment of justice in Pravrutti will be completely achieved. The policy of communism believes in distributing the accumulated wealth of some rich people. But this is not a permanent solution. The blind attraction of the rich man towards the worldly bonds is not removed. Then the rich man will feel discouraged and stop his talented work, which will reduces the production of wealth itself by the way of business and industries. If he himself realises and distributes his own wealth to all by the realisation of his family bonds, the solution is permanent. The rich man will continue his talented work in producing the wealth.Therefore propagation of spiritual knowledge will certainly establish the justice on this earth and the selfishness and corruption are removed with their roots and communism cannot achieve this because the selfishness and corruption will hide and find new ways to escape the attack from communism. Communism is one extreme end of ignorance and capitalism is another extreme end of the ignorance. The in between socialism is also based on the same ignorance which is on the middle part. These three policies are only temporary emotional attacks only without analysing the root of ignorance. Spiritual knowledge of Nivrutti will remove the ignorance completely with the root and establish the eternal justice on this earth. Of course, a very few can enter the inner circle of the Lord and also can succeed in Nivrutti.You are a drop of pure awareness, which is called as soul or casual body. Your immediate surrounding limiting circle is the subtle body, which is made of qualities or feelings of mind. The next circle is the gross body constituted by five elements. You are neither the gross body nor subtle body. You are the casual body, which is the soul. Thus withdrawing yourself from these two circles is called as self-analysis. Thus the word I which you utter itself is under illusion. Next comes the circle of your family members. From this circle the word My starts which is also under illusion. The next circle is your relatives, the next circle is your caste. The next circle is your Nation and the last circle your religion. From family to religion, the five circles are associated with the word My. In all these five circles, the word my is under illusion as you can find in deep analysis. These seven circles are the seven hells are seven lower worlds. If you introduce the devotees in these seven circles, who are theists belonging to any family or caste or nation or religion, then the same seven lower worlds become seven upper worlds.Now you are in the biggest single circle of earth, which belongs to the creator only. Now you see every living being is a small spot of pure awareness moving in this earth without any limitation. All the souls are equally related to you and neither you hate nor love any soul and you will not kill any living being for your food and this is the main point of Jainism and Buddhism. This is the climax of the Pravrutti or justice and you will not think the mind or the external gross body as yourself and you will not think that some spots of awareness are only your family members or relatives or your caste people or your country men or your co-religious devotees. If this is achieved by this spiritual knowledge, you are now in the world of Universal of Spirituality. Of course, you can have the discrimination between the people who help you as your friends and who harm you as your enemies. A marginal minimum attraction and repulsion exists, which is justified but excess of blind attraction and excess of violent hatred vanish, which are responsible for all the sins and injustice in this world.

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At Thy Lotus FeetAnil AntonyUniversal Spirituality | Shri Datta Swami
Universal Spirituality for World Peace
antonyanil@universal-spirituality.org

I want you to stop preaching at us for a moment and simply talk to me..in brief sentences...OK?1) Anil Antony, how did you come to believe what you do? In other words, how did you meet DattaSwami?
2) What is it that you want me and everyone else at EvC to know?
(Briefly! No long dialogue, please!)3) Tell us a bit about yourself personally. Where did you grow up? Do you work or are you a spiritual employee of the church?This message has been edited by Phat, 02-02-2006 09:00 AM

Brain;Buddhism keeps silent about God and this was misunderstood as atheism.
Buddhists thought that Buddha kept silent since God does not exist at all.
Buddhism is an offspring of Hinduism and Buddha is treated as God in flesh.
Buddha is in the list of Ten Human Incarnations of the Lord and if you say
That Buddha denied God it means he denied himself, moreover Buddhists say
Buddham Saranam Gachchami, which means that they surrender to Buddha.
Atleast this means that they treat Buddha greater than themselves and so
Buddha can be treated as Messenger of God in view of the Buddhists.

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At Thy Lotus FeetAnil AntonyUniversal Spirituality | Shri Datta Swami
Universal Spirituality for World Peace
antonyanil@universal-spirituality.org

I dont want you to preach at me! I want to know why you think the way that you do, not what you think.Tell me how you grew up. Explain why you believe as you do...in other words, what experiences brought you to these truths that you say?I will be more likely to read what you have to say once I know you.Be Brief, and be real. You say that you are not spamming. This means, then, that you must tell us about yourself...not about the message that you represent. We can discuss that later.This message has been edited by Phat, 02-02-2006 09:13 AM

Phat;God is unimaginable, uncomprehendable and beyond logic. Such God comes down in human form known as human incarnation, or immanueal as per the prayers of His beloved devotees, who longed for Him to see, touch, colive with Him. God comes in every human generation to avoid partiality to a particular human generation. When He comes down His main aim is the propagation of true divine knowledge to uplift the souls.Since He is coming in human form like us, no body recognises Him or understand Him, except a few devotees. All others will reject Him and mock Him.I believe His Holiness Sri Dattaswami as the present human incarnation . He is the incarnation of true divine knowledge. I continously participate in His mission of divine knowledge propagation. When Jesus came to this world only very few people identified Him as the human incarnation. Those poor fishermen identified the heavenly father hidden in the human body of the human incarnation, and they served Him in His mission of divine knowledge propagation.It is the for the first time, Sri Dattaswami has come with scientific logical analysis for the explanation of various scriptures for bringing the unification of the various religions of the world.I am working as a scientist, and i am involved in the propagation of the divine knowledge of my satguru.

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At Thy Lotus FeetAnil AntonyUniversal Spirituality | Shri Datta Swami
Universal Spirituality for World Peace
antonyanil@universal-spirituality.org

How did you meet His Holiness?

What type of scientist are you? (By the way, you can meet me in chat right now...if you want to discuss this stuff further) Push the CHAT button in the upper panel

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Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties either, but right through every human heart, and through all human hearts. This line shifts. Inside us, it oscillates with the years. Even within hearts overwhelmed by evil, one small bridgehead of good is retained; and even in the best of all hearts, there remains a small corner of evil. --Alexander Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago

I'm afraid that you have been taken in by a new age cult. Sri Dattaswami teaches nothing but a sort of New Agey spiritualism that seeks to unite all world religions under one umbrella. The concept that "god" is the same character in all the major religions is not new, and it is also not accurate.To say this, shows a lack of knowledge about the history of the various world religions, the myths they arose from, and the cultures they developed in. Also, his website is very poorly designed and badly written.In any case, I hope you don't give this person any of your money.

Hi, Buddhists believe in many gods, but they are of a lower existence than humans. Since Buddha preached anicca (expanded by Nagarjuna's sunyata) then there can be no eternal beings in Buddhism. Maybe by Hindus, but Buddha, in fact there are numerous Buddhas, is not seen as a God by Buddhists. In Hinduism the Buddha was an incarnation of Vishnu. But this is Hindu mythology, an attempt to address the challenge of Buddhism. So, you err when you say Buddhists think that Buddha was God. I didn't say he denied God, but he didn't say that there was.You are misunderstanding my statement, which was "Buddhism seems to be an exception, with no god and no creation myth."Now, if you disagree could you please present BUDDHIST teachings that claim Siddartha was God? I am not asking for Hindu beliefs thanks. It is a form of veneration for a being who achieved enlightenment, he is seen as an inspiration, an example of what can be acheived, he isnt seen as God. Thye only see him as an example of what can be achieved, he has entered pari-nirvana. Buddhists don;t believe in God, they do not believe in anything eternal.Try reading Nagarjuna's teaching of Sunyata, it negates the possibility of there being an eternal God, whether that god be Brahman, Yahweh, or any other alleged eternal being.Thanks for the reply.Brian.

You are aware that Buddha taught that there is no such thing as a 'soul' (atman)?Brian.

the chat option is not working, could you give your email id so that i can chat with you. otherwise you can chat with me at antonyanil100@rediffmail.comThis message has been edited by dattaswami, 02-02-2006 11:32 AM

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At Thy Lotus FeetAnil AntonyUniversal Spirituality | Shri Datta Swami
Universal Spirituality for World Peace
antonyanil@universal-spirituality.org