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Tanypteryx
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Message 1 of 9 (441692)
12-18-2007 2:49 PM


Sometimes when I read about YEC claims of geological evidence for a worldwide flood they talk about the Grand Canyon and other times that geological layering is evidence of the flood. Every time I see this I can't help wondering: Are they saying the flood first created the layers and then some bizarre current gouged out the Grand Canyon?
Maybe this has been answered in the Flood Geology Forum but it sure did not pop right out at me.
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Message 2 of 9 (441776)
12-18-2007 6:18 PM
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12-18-2007 2:49 PM


Flood Geology
There are a few theories, but they all kinda go like this... Sometime around 4500 years ago, the Earth cracked superficially and released water from deep subterranean lakes (perhaps this is where we get the Mid-Atlantic Ridge, perhaps not). Since the water would obviously be under pressure, it rushed out taking a great deal of solid matter with it (fountains of the great deep). This solid matter along with additional erosion from the rushing waters and torrential rain eventually settled out of the water back onto the earth which was then at the bottom of the ocean which encompassed the whole globe. The settling naturally occurs in layers as observed in the after-effects of the flooding following the eruption at Mt. St. Helens. God then sent wind to dry up the water (Genesis 8:1) and raised the mountains and lowered the ocean basins (Psalm 104:8.9). Some of the water was trapped in certain places such as at the top of the Grand Canyon. The natural dams that held the water in place broke open and washed the still damp sand and rock away creating what we see today.

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Message 3 of 9 (441780)
12-18-2007 6:27 PM
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12-18-2007 6:18 PM


Re: Flood Geology
If on the off chance you happen to think that description might be true, would you be willing to explain a few specific things to me?

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Message 4 of 9 (441797)
12-18-2007 7:17 PM
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12-18-2007 6:18 PM


Re: Flood Geology
I am not aware of sediment layering at Mt. St. Helens similar to what you get in a large body of water, except in Spirit Lake. The rest of the floods around the mountain were flash floods that washed things away. The only exposed layers from the May 18 eruption were where the flash floods cut through ash fall layers.
I think you would be more likely to get a broad valley with gently sloping sides if flood waters were washing away still damp sand and rock rather than the canyons with sheer sides that we see in much of the Grand Canyon today

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12-18-2007 9:08 PM
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12-18-2007 6:27 PM


Re: Flood Geology
I think it to be generally accurate, but I would not be dogmatic on any one specific area. This is the problem you run into when proposing theories regarding events that are not taking place today. I cited Mt. St. Helens which only shows how it could be done, obviously flooding to such a degree as described in Genesis is not something we are ever going to be able to observe. The same holds true for uniformitarianism.

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Message 6 of 9 (441822)
12-18-2007 9:11 PM
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12-18-2007 7:17 PM


Re: Flood Geology
As I said in my post above, I would not be dogmatic on any one specific event. Perhaps the sand was damp but packed down tightly, thus acting much like rock. Perhaps it was rock and the canyon was formed by very fast flowing water with the help of cavitation.

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12-18-2007 2:49 PM


Not a "Coffee House" type topic
Ideally, this topic should have been started via the Proposed New Topics forum.
Letting such pass, I'll bounce it to the "Geology and the Great Flood" forum.
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12-18-2007 9:16 PM


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12-18-2007 9:22 PM
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12-18-2007 9:08 PM


Re: Flood Geology
I think it to be generally accurate, but I would not be dogmatic on any one specific area. This is the problem you run into when proposing theories regarding events that are not taking place today.
Of course you can determine how things happened in the past.
I cited Mt. St. Helens which only shows how it could be done, obviously flooding to such a degree as described in Genesis is not something we are ever going to be able to observe.
Of course the Mount St Helen's example is just silly and does NOT show anything like what is seen in the Grand canyon.
So are you up to try to show the Flood Model from what is seen in the Grand Canyon?
I warn you, no one has EVER been able to do so, but who knows, you may be the one to do it.
If you want, we can start with something simple, like what is the Flood Model that produced the materials of the Vishnu Schist?

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