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Rei
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Message 1 of 5 (54437)
09-08-2003 4:42 AM


1) Bringing two of each animal: Many animals cannot survive in groups of two. For example, take a pair of bulldog ants and see how long they last. Many animals are colonial, and need the entire colony to survive. What is the point of bringing, say, two whiptail lizards, seing as they're parthenogenic?
2) If insects are being expected to live on floating vegetation (as in Woodmorape), and giving the benefit of the doubt that there's miraculous canyon-carving, mountain-depositing, etc going on beneath but the surface is nice and calm (and dry!), how are animals like leafcutter ants, who have a carefully cultivated fungus that they consume which constantly requires fresh vegetation, surviving?
3) How can Noah do climate control on the ark? You're not going to get an emperor penguin to survive in the same room as a green anaconda.
4) How are animals expected to adapt from freshwater to saltwater in a matter of days, and then do the exact same feat again as the floodwaters recede? And, likewise with temperature changes (are you aware of how sensitive most tropical fish are to temperature and water content changes?).
5) How is speciation supposed to occur within 4,000 years from the genus level (and sometimes even family!) level? Genus is incredibly varied; canis for example includes everything from the different breeds of dogs to the jackal. If this is "microevolution" - changes like that in 4,000 years - why on earth haven't we been able to witness evolution occuring at anywhere close to that speed, in any large animal species? The horse and the donkey are both mentioned in early parts of the bible. Talk about rapid evolution!!!
6) Can you find any compitent zoologist who will give credence to, lets say, a black mamba eating a year-old rotting dead carcass, as opposed to making a fresh kill? Because predator/prey ratios would be horridly skewed after the flood.
7) Why are human mutations currently observed nowhere close to the rate needed for us to have varied to the current level in 4,000 years?
8) How could forces catastrophic enough to dig canyons and deposit mountains, with catastropic amounts of change in potential energy from the water occuring, leave a nice calm surface (calm enough from a hand-made boat of wood and pitch made by a tiny team in rushed order, calm enough for floating vegetation with insects that can't stand water, etc)?
9) If plants were expected to remain in dormant seeds during this time, what happened to their parasites? For example, aphids? Are they supposed to have a special dormant stage too? What process has been shown to make *every last kind of plant on earth* go dormant for a year, and not be damaged by massive quantities of water?
10) Why did the geological column get sorted in such a manner as that two species that were quite similar shapes and weights, in similar ecosystems, got *always* sorted into different layers *everywhere that they occured in the world*? And were always kept with other species that were equally quizically sorted into layers without regard to size, habitat, etc? Why did not a single dinosaur (based on skeletal structure) end up in an upper layer? Why did not a single mammal end up lower? Millions of fossils have been observed. This is, by the way, one of the intial questions that puzzled geologists who were expecting to observe the biblical flood in the Earth. Their initial explanation was that God must have done "many creations" at different times.
(I'll stop here... these are just a few of the questions that I've never seen a good answer for.).
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"Illuminant light,
illuminate me."
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Bonobojones
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Message 2 of 5 (54449)
09-08-2003 9:54 AM


Why, magic, of course!

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Prozacman
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Message 3 of 5 (55596)
09-15-2003 7:16 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by Bonobojones
09-08-2003 9:54 AM


Whoops! This is supposed to be a reply to Rei. We are supposed to believe in miracles on top of miracles according to the fundamentalists. For example; since the bible says the world was flooded and all animals went aboard the Ark two by two (an interwoven account gives 7 pairs of unclean and 7 pairs of clean animals)and that's one miracle, but it does'nt say how we got all the insect species from the ark, or from the vegitation mats for that matter. We are told by the fundamentalists, that another miracle (the propigation of all known insect species in a years time to their present species numbers) must have happened also.They are making up a miracle not written in the bible, to try to bolster thier belief in a miracle in the bible(Noah's Flood). All ten of your Questions/Examples require us to believe in extra miracles in order to believe in the Flood!! As a former YEC, I just couldn't come up with any answers(except extra miracles) to your proposed questions, and as an amatuer scientist now, I can't think of any answers at all!! But perhaps there is some YEC out there somewhere with some answers. Speak Up!
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NosyNed
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Message 4 of 5 (55600)
09-15-2003 7:28 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Rei
09-08-2003 4:42 AM


Magic?
As posts 2 and 3 indicate, it is necessary to get clear if we are talking about "creation science" or just fundamentalism. I, for one, don't care much about some fundamentatlist cult. But if they want to play at science then I do.
And then they have to eschew the made up miracles.

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Prozacman
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Message 5 of 5 (55608)
09-15-2003 7:48 PM
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09-15-2003 7:28 PM


Re: Magic?
I'm just speaking for my former experience as a fundamentalist, because for me at one time in my life, I took fundamentalists and believers in "creation science" to be the same people.
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