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subbie Member (Idle past 1277 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
Scientific American reports:
The Texas Board of Education has tentatively adopted new teaching standards that would make it more difficult to teach creationism in Lone Star state schools. Board members voted eight-to-seven last night to drop controversial language in the state's curriculum that requires science teachers to discuss the “strengths and weaknesses” of scientific theories. Follow the link for full story. For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
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Taz Member (Idle past 3314 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Personally, I'm surprised this is even an issue at all nowadays. Do people honestly want to teach their kids the goddunit doctrine that answers everything and nothing?
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1427 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Hey Subbie,
I was a little disturbed by the opening you quoted,
Board members voted eight-to-seven last night to drop controversial language in the state's curriculum that requires science teachers to discuss the “strengths and weaknesses” of scientific theories. As I agree with Ken Miller, that there should be no problem with teaching the strength and weakness of any scientific theory, or with comparing the ability of different theories to explain all the evidence. It is part of the scientific method to question theory. One of the weakness of all theories is that they are tentative approximations, and the less we know about a subject to more tentative they are. One of the strengths of all theories is that as they are tested and compared, the approximations are refined and honed and become better and better approximations. Sometimes a new approximation comes along and explains the evidence in an entirely new way, and then we compare to see which method is a better approximation of reality. Take the calculation of π for example. We can use 3.14 or 22/7 (3.143) or 3.14159 to approximate the value, but no method to provide a final exact method has been determined, and what we have are a series of different methods to reach increasingly accurate approximations, discarding the old ones (or regulating them to special cases - convenient usage that provides an answer that is close enough for practical purposes - like Newton's Gravity, the value of π used to calculate rocket paths to mars is an approximation). My calculator uses 3.14159 26535 89793 23846 26433 832795 Pi - Wikipedia
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quote:(spaces added for page fitting) 1 Million Digits of Pi(one million digits of π) And on it goes. Scientific theory is similar, when new evidence shows that an existing theory misses the mark, a better approximation is made. Back to your link:
quote: This does not really remove the requirement, rather it refines the method to be used to investigate strengths and weaknesses: you must use the scientific method.
quote: Except that the teachers are not "silenced" nor does it mean that "truth" has been expelled - what it means is that the strengths and weaknesses must be evaluated scientifically, and not based on politics or emotion (the creationist approach as exemplified by Mr. Saenz, kettle calling the pot black. Yes, it's absolutely shocking that science should be taught in science class. Enjoy. by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. • • • Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click) • • •
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Percy Member Posts: 22480 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Here's a New York Times article about the same thing: Split Outcome in Texas Battle on Teaching of Evolution
From my perspective this seems like a significant blunder for proponents of evolution. On the one hand they overturn a mandate that "science teachers explore with their students the 'strengths and weaknesses' of all theories," a mandate it says has been "largely ignored" by teachers, and which doesn't even single out evolution. But on the other, conservatives were able to add several amendments that were extremely specific to evolution, like "one that would compel science teachers to instruct students about aspects of the fossil record that do not neatly fit with the idea of species’ gradually changing over time, like the relatively sudden appearance of some species and the fact that others seem to remain unchanged for millions of years." Although the original mandate had been largely ignored, it apparently was becoming an increasing problem "as groups questioning Darwinism have invoked the mandate in raising objections to evolution’s being taught to the exclusion of other theories." So the majority was finally able to overturn the mandate, but at the cost of amendments that single out evolution by requiring characterizations of scientific uncertainty where there is none. Looks like a bad deal for evolution in Texas. --Percy
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2128 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
This is what they mean by "weaknesses:"
Essential List of Scientific Weaknesses of Evolution Theories Same warmed over nonsense we always see from the creationists. Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1427 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Hey Percy
But on the other, conservatives were able to add several amendments that were extremely specific to evolution, like "one that would compel science teachers to instruct students about aspects of the fossil record that do not neatly fit with the idea of species’ gradually changing over time, like the relatively sudden appearance of some species and the fact that others seem to remain unchanged for millions of years." I still go with Ken Miller on this. This is a teaching moment, and it gives the teacher an opportunity cite Darwin on his discussion of the fossil record, his explanation for gaps, expand it to a discussion of Punctuated Equilibrium, whether these instances are indeed "sudden" or due to faulty record keeping in the fossil record, and then look at whether these two PRATTs do or do not fit with the theory of evolution. Then they can explain fitness in terms of ecology, such that if ecology is not changing that there is no selection pressure to change, rather there is selection to maintain an average phenotype, but if the ecology changes that there will be selection to change to match.
... "as groups questioning Darwinism have invoked the mandate in raising objections to evolution’s being taught to the exclusion of other theories." So the majority was finally able to overturn the mandate, but at the cost of amendments that single out evolution by requiring characterizations of scientific uncertainty where there is none. Then where is the problem with teaching the uncertainty - aka scientific tentativity? What does skeptic mean and what is the difference between an open minded skeptic and one who has already decided a conclusion but pretends skepticism of (only) contradictory evidence. Talk about the assumptions of science, that the evidence is reflective of a true reality, and that properly understanding the evidence means understanding reality. That we can assume the evidence is true or we can assume the evidence is false. Does a scientific theory assume the evidence is false? Does it assume the evidence is true? Or does it test the evidence to see if it is true or false. Trot out the other theories: http://library.thinkquest.org/C004367/eh1.shtml
quote: This greek theory after all is where the concept of "Spontaneous Generation" came from. Now you can teach the fundamental difference between abiogenesis and evolution and show how evolution does not require a single population of original ancestors, but can start with any number of original ancestor populations. This is also where the concept of an "evolutionary ladder" came from, so it is an opportunity to discuss that concept.
quote: Now you can note that the earlier greek concept of descent with modification has been discarded to fit a theological interpretation, not evidence, and that since that time creationism has be forced to re-incorporate variation and adaptation and the separation of distinct populations with subsequent descent with modification into different forms. Then you can teach how the objective evidence of reality, the fossil record of life on earth in the past, and the stages of life as they occurred in the fossil record. Does the fossil record support the Christian theory of a singular special creation, or does it support the Greek theory of spontaneous appearance of different species at different times.
quote: This is another variation of "special creation," one that adopts the earlier Greek theory of the spontaneous appearance of new species. These newly appeared species would then have been in unchanging forms due to divine will. With the later (post Darwin) adoption of variation and adaptation, and the separation of distinct populations with subsequent descent with modification into different forms, we can see that this concept appears to fit the fossil record and the evidence of life on earth more closely than before. One can also show that this also has required substantial modification of the original concept of a single special creation of all life forms. Thus you can point out how ideas and concepts change to fit the evidence, that this is how theories work in science, with new and better fitting approximations replacing older ones or regulating them to special conditions. Discuss how the scientific method was developed. http://anthro.palomar.edu/evolve/evolve_1.htm
quote: And now you can bring in Mendel and genetics, nested hierarchies and the evidence for descent from a common ancestral population. You can show the methodology used by Mendel to show how scientific investigation was developing to evidence based theory.
quote: This is an opportunity to discuss Wallace and his theories of biogeography, the Wallace Line and the Wallace Effect.
quote: Then you can teach why Lamarkism is incorrect, what the evidence shows. You can also raise the specter of Haeckle, and the etchings of fetal development and discuss the current state of science on this issue. You can teach how the theory of acquired characteristics and the theory that ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny were falsified, how the scientific method was developed to test concepts rather than just propose explanations. Then you can move on to Darwin and into modern biology, you can use modern pictures (see Ken Miller textbook) of fetal development to show the preservation of ancestral traits in the development of different species and the adaptation of previous features to new uses. Talk about ring species and reproductive isolation in dog breeding, and the modern fields of genetics, population dynamics ... Is that a bad thing? Enjoy. by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. • • • Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click) • • •
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fallacycop Member (Idle past 5543 days) Posts: 692 From: Fortaleza-CE Brazil Joined: |
but no method to provide a final exact method has been determined
In fact it has been proven that no final exact method can be provided. π is known to be an irrational number
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Percy Member Posts: 22480 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Hi RAZD,
Your proposals would be attacked for running counter to the new amendments by those who promoted them. We can't let science curriculums be defined by those hostile to science. It is not a view of science that there are, as stated by one amendment, "aspects of the fossil record that do not neatly fit with the idea of species’ gradually changing over time." We must always oppose the insertion of unscientific ideas into public school science curriculums. --Percy
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