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Zhimbo
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Message 1 of 17 (402715)
05-29-2007 3:29 PM


Story:
http://news.yahoo.com/...20070529/ap_on_re_us/potter_protest
I can't believe there isn't an approriate open thread for this, but I can't find it.
While it's certainly old news that fundies don't like Harry Potter books and want them out of school libraries, I love the remarkably direct presentation of hypocrisy at the end of the article:
At Tuesday's hearing, Mallory argued in part that witchcraft is a religion practiced by some people and, therefore, the books should be banned because reading them in school violates the constitutional separation of church and state.
"I have a dream that God will be welcomed back in our schools again," Mallory said. "I think we need him."

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mark24
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Message 2 of 17 (402723)
05-29-2007 3:57 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Zhimbo
05-29-2007 3:29 PM


Zhimbo,
I find it hard to believe that bibles aren't held by these libraries.
Mark

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Coragyps
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Message 3 of 17 (402725)
05-29-2007 3:59 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Zhimbo
05-29-2007 3:29 PM


Uh....wow.
Like Wicca and Potter had anything in common. And like you'd ban a Bible from a library because it had religious content.

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jar
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Message 4 of 17 (402727)
05-29-2007 4:12 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Zhimbo
05-29-2007 3:29 PM


dance the May Pole.
My old Church School just posted the pictures of the Annual May Pole Celebration.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Message 5 of 17 (402728)
05-29-2007 4:15 PM
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05-29-2007 3:29 PM


That's a nice demonstration of ignorance AND hypocrisy. But it's what we have to expect from these people.
And it's good ammunition for Jar's Great Debate.

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nator
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Message 6 of 17 (402757)
05-29-2007 9:49 PM
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05-29-2007 4:12 PM


Re: dance the May Pole.
Did all the kids go off and have an orgy?
Edited by nator, : No reason given.

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Taz
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Message 7 of 17 (402779)
05-29-2007 11:19 PM


Ok, I've been wondering about this for a while. Perhaps someone here could tell me.
How come christians who are against Harry Potter won't treat these books and movies like any other work of fiction? Star Trek has never mentioned anything christian before, and we don't see them protest against it.
Edited by Tazmanian Devil, : Added the word won't. Apparently, anger is getting the better part of me tonight.


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anglagard
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Message 8 of 17 (402816)
05-30-2007 3:11 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by Taz
05-29-2007 11:19 PM


Slight Technicality
TD writes:
How come christians who are against Harry Potter won't treat these books and movies like any other work of fiction? Star Trek has never mentioned anything christian before, and we don't see them protest against it.
At the end of the episode about a civilization like the Roman Empire in the original series, the usual suspects (Kirk, Spock, and Bones) are wondering why a parallel to Rome had 'Sun' worshipers. Uhuru said she had been monitoring the planet's broadcasts and they meant not the sun but rather the son of god.
Seems to be a bit of Christian imagery to me, but I am having trouble following your point to begin with anyway.
More on topic, book challenges to school library holdings are made several hundred times a year. For more information, and a bit of fun (and seriousness) us librarians have at the yokel's expense, see ALAs Banned Book Week page
Edited by anglagard, : spelin

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subbie
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Message 9 of 17 (402824)
05-30-2007 7:37 AM
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05-29-2007 11:19 PM


In addition to anglagard's point, Star Trek doesn't actively promote witchcraft. Other books that do, including The Wizard of Oz and The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe, have been targeted by various wingnuts at different times.
Edited by subbie, : tyop

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Tusko
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Message 10 of 17 (402828)
05-30-2007 8:32 AM
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05-30-2007 7:37 AM


Whoever criticises The Lion, The Witch, and the Wardrobe as anti-Christian would have to be seriously thick, wouldn't they? Remember - Aslan died for our sins.
I'll tell you something that's made me rather unhappy - the fact that The Golden Compass (from the book Northern Lights by Philip Pullman), which is being released as a feature-film later this year, is having the Christianity of the villains toned down, apparently, in order to stop God-botherers getting into a state in the States. That's dumb enough, but I wonder how they are going to tone down the final book, which centre's around the premise that the Christian God is suffering from Altzheimers. Hmmm?

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DorfMan
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Message 11 of 17 (402860)
05-30-2007 11:39 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Zhimbo
05-29-2007 3:29 PM


quote:
While it's certainly old news that fundies don't like Harry Potter books and want them out of school libraries, I love the remarkably direct presentation of hypocrisy at the end of the article:
I'm a 'fundie' and I love the Potter books. Guess it depends on the 'fundie'. Doesn't anyone teach perspective any longer? Did that go with the wind as did logic? Simple logic, even?
Was a time when the RCC banned the bible and not that long ago. It's all in that simple practice called perspective and how we are threatened by what we perceive as harmful and dangerous to our state of doing and beliefs.
A little effort puts Potter in perspective. I don't know what would work for the rcc.
Edited by DorfMan, : change a word

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Zhimbo
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Message 12 of 17 (402950)
05-30-2007 8:48 PM
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05-30-2007 8:32 AM


They simply can't continue the "His Dark Materials" films with toned-down religion. I'd be very surprised if the other two books ever make it to film. If you take the "God" out of the "War on God", it isn't going to make much sense.
BTW, Northern Lights is known as The Golden Compass in the U.S.

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Message 13 of 17 (402967)
05-30-2007 11:31 PM
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05-30-2007 11:39 AM


Doesn't anyone teach perspective any longer?
Sure, but all that stuff goes right out the window when Christians have a chance to fire up the Manufactured Persecution Complex machine.

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Jon
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Message 14 of 17 (402974)
05-31-2007 5:41 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by nator
05-29-2007 9:49 PM


Re: dance the May Pole.
Or maybe they became prostitutes? Certainly much more lucrative, if you ask me.

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Zhimbo
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Message 15 of 17 (403018)
05-31-2007 12:58 PM
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05-31-2007 5:41 AM


Re: dance the May Pole.
More lucrative, and yet utterly irrelevant to this thread.
Are TWO ongoing threads on Prostitution not enough for you?
Edited by Zhimbo, : No reason given.

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