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Topic: Why should evolution be taught in public schools? (Another class project type topic)
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Dani2008
Junior Member (Idle past 5972 days) Posts: 10 From: VA, USA Joined: 12-10-2007
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Message 1 of 55 (439921)
12-10-2007 9:58 PM
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I have been assigned a point counterpoint paper on why evolution should be taught in schools and why it should not. I have found some valuable information as to why it should not, but I need some highlights as to why it should be taught in school. Any help would be greatly appreciated  Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Added the "(Another class project type topic)" part to the topic title. I guess the "Coffee House" is OK for such.
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DrJones*
Member Posts: 2285 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: 08-19-2004 Member Rating: 8.3
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Message 2 of 55 (439923)
12-10-2007 10:02 PM
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Reply to: Message 1 by Dani2008
12-10-2007 9:58 PM
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Oy, another "do my homework for me" topic.
Live every week like it's Shark Week! Just a monkey in a long line of kings. If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! *not an actual doctor
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Taz
Member (Idle past 3314 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: 07-18-2006
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Message 3 of 55 (439930)
12-10-2007 10:12 PM
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Reply to: Message 1 by Dani2008
12-10-2007 9:58 PM
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In a secular society, we must do our best to persecute those who believe in god. In fact, we must do our best to get people to reject god and accept Satan as their personal savior. Satan is the one true god, and Darwin is his prophet. This is the reason why we teach evolution in school.
Owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have occasionally used the academic jargon generator to produce phrases that even I don't fully understand. The jargons are not meant to offend anyone or to insult anyone's intelligence!
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 4 of 55 (439931)
12-10-2007 10:13 PM
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Reply to: Message 1 by Dani2008
12-10-2007 9:58 PM
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Help provided.
Any help would be greatly appreciated Read the material found in the science forums. Understand that there is no such thing as Creation Science or a Biblical Creation model that can explain what is seen in the world. Read and understand all of the threads in this forum, this forum and this forum. That should give you a good start.
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subbie
Member (Idle past 1277 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: 02-26-2006
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Message 5 of 55 (439935)
12-10-2007 10:24 PM
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Reply to: Message 1 by Dani2008
12-10-2007 9:58 PM
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I have found some valuable information as to why it should not.... I'd be interested in hearing what you consider "valuable information" about why it shouldn't.
Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
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Chiroptera
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Message 6 of 55 (439936)
12-10-2007 10:25 PM
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Reply to: Message 1 by Dani2008
12-10-2007 9:58 PM
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...I need some highlights as to why it should be taught in school. Teach the controversy, that's what I always say.
Why is everyone laughing?
If it's truly good and powerful, it deserves to engender a thousand misunderstandings. -- Ben Ratcliffe
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RAZD
Member (Idle past 1427 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: 03-14-2004
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Message 7 of 55 (439939)
12-10-2007 10:31 PM
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Reply to: Message 1 by Dani2008
12-10-2007 9:58 PM
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simple.
It's simple, so simple it almost seems tautological: Teach science. Teach how science tests our understanding of reality against objective facts (using the scientific method). No understanding is necessarily perfect (science is tentative), but for science the issue is that scientifically tested understanding can be considered sound, while untested concepts cannot. Thus, if there is any question on whether a concept should be included in a study of science - at any level - the litmus test is whether the concept has been tested. This holds for any science and any concept that claims to be science. It's that simple. Enjoy.
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Dani2008
Junior Member (Idle past 5972 days) Posts: 10 From: VA, USA Joined: 12-10-2007
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Message 8 of 55 (439940)
12-10-2007 10:45 PM
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Reply to: Message 5 by subbie
12-10-2007 10:24 PM
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Well Subbie, before I tell you what I remarked as valuable let me tell you I am trying to find some good BS to put in this paper so that I can get a good grade for the class. I have a had trouble finding points other than religion for sources as "why it should not be taught," however I find myself using that as my 'valuable info.' If you have anything else that would be great. All I seem to find is that "Evolution conflicts with religion," "Evolution conflicts with freedom of religion," and stuff like that.
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Dani2008
Junior Member (Idle past 5972 days) Posts: 10 From: VA, USA Joined: 12-10-2007
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Message 9 of 55 (439943)
12-10-2007 10:52 PM
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Reply to: Message 6 by Chiroptera
12-10-2007 10:25 PM
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Chiroptera, how does that support the idea that evolution should be taught in school?
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 10 of 55 (439947)
12-10-2007 11:00 PM
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Reply to: Message 9 by Dani2008
12-10-2007 10:52 PM
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A suggested source and tactic.
This is the reason that about 11,000 US Christian Clergy think Evolution should be taught in school. From this source.
We the undersigned, Christian clergy from many different traditions, believe that the timeless truths of the Bible and the discoveries of modern science may comfortably coexist. We believe that the theory of evolution is a foundational scientific truth, one that has stood up to rigorous scrutiny and upon which much of human knowledge and achievement rests. To reject this truth or to treat it as “one theory among others” is to deliberately embrace scientific ignorance and transmit such ignorance to our children. We believe that among God’s good gifts are human minds capable of critical thought and that the failure to fully employ this gift is a rejection of the will of our Creator. To argue that God’s loving plan of salvation for humanity precludes the full employment of the God-given faculty of reason is to attempt to limit God, an act of hubris. We urge school board members to preserve the integrity of the science curriculum by affirming the teaching of the theory of evolution as a core component of human knowledge. We ask that science remain science and that religion remain religion, two very different, but complementary, forms of truth.
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subbie
Member (Idle past 1277 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: 02-26-2006
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Message 11 of 55 (439948)
12-10-2007 11:04 PM
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Reply to: Message 9 by Dani2008
12-10-2007 10:52 PM
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Please don't take anything that Chiro says seriously. He's a little addle-pated from spending too much time hanging upside down.
Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
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sidelined
Member (Idle past 5930 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: 08-30-2003
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Message 12 of 55 (439949)
12-10-2007 11:05 PM
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Reply to: Message 1 by Dani2008
12-10-2007 9:58 PM
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Dani2008
I have found some valuable information as to why it should not, Now, what better way to show the explanatory power than to show how it fares against the "valuable information" you claim to have in your possession. Please present your best and let us see the outcome.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 13 of 55 (439952)
12-10-2007 11:14 PM
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Reply to: Message 8 by Dani2008
12-10-2007 10:45 PM
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Dani2008 writes: ... let me tell you I am trying to find some good BS to put in this paper so that I can get a good grade for the class. I have a had trouble finding points other than religion for sources as "why it should not be taught," however I find myself using that as my 'valuable info.' Sooo... if BS is considered "valuable information", am I correct in assuming that this paper is for a Christian school?
Disclaimer: The above statement is without a doubt, the most LUDICROUS, IDIOTIC AND PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WILLFUL STUPIDITY, THAT I HAVE EVER SEEN OR HEARD.
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RAZD
Member (Idle past 1427 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: 03-14-2004
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Message 14 of 55 (440004)
12-11-2007 7:39 AM
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Reply to: Message 8 by Dani2008
12-10-2007 10:45 PM
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It's still simple.
Well Subbie, before I tell you what I remarked as valuable let me tell you I am trying to find some good BS to put in this paper so that I can get a good grade for the class. I have a had trouble finding points other than religion for sources as "why it should not be taught," however I find myself using that as my 'valuable info.' If you have anything else that would be great. All I seem to find is that "Evolution conflicts with religion," "Evolution conflicts with freedom of religion," and stuff like that. Reason to include evolution in science classes in public schools:
because it is science, and science is good at understanding reality (see Message 7)
there are religious reasons to teach evolution in science classes in public schools (see Jar's message re the clergy project), as not all religions feel threatened by it or by questioning what we know about the reality of the natural world in general. Reason to NOT include evolution in science classes in public schools:
because it disturbs many fundamentalist people who think it conflicts with their belief, and rather than confront the question of whether their belief is valid they would rather supress the evidence for reality.
because making people ignorant about science in general and evolution in particular makes it easier to fool gullible people with fake information, false beliefs, and dogmatic clinging to belief instead of finding out, testing, what is true by understanding the evidence of reality.
there are no scientific reasons not to teach evolution. There is no "controversy" where there are no literal fundamentalist believers. Enjoy.
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dwise1
Member Posts: 5949 Joined: 05-02-2006 Member Rating: 5.5
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Message 15 of 55 (440050)
12-11-2007 10:39 AM
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Reply to: Message 13 by ringo
12-10-2007 11:14 PM
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Sooo... if BS is considered "valuable information", am I correct in assuming that this paper is for a Christian school? Well, since that's all that is taught in "creation science" class, ... .
{When you search for God, y}ou can't go to the people who believe already. They've made up their minds and want to convince you of their own personal heresy.("The Jehovah Contract", AKA "Der Jehova-Vertrag", by Viktor Koman, 1984) Humans wrote the Bible; God wrote the world. (from filk song "Word of God" by Dr. Catherine Faber, No webpage found at provided URL: http://www.echoschildren.org/CDlyrics/WORDGOD.HTML) Of course, if Dr. Mortimer's surmise should be correct and we are dealing with forces outside the ordinary laws of Nature, there is an end of our investigation. But we are bound to exhaust all other hypotheses before falling back upon this one.(Sherlock Holmes in The Hound of the Baskervilles) Gentry's case depends upon his halos remaining a mystery. Once a naturalistic explanation is discovered, his claim of a supernatural origin is washed up. So he will not give aid or support to suggestions that might resolve the mystery. Science works toward an increase in knowledge; creationism depends upon a lack of it. Science promotes the open-ended search; creationism supports giving up and looking no further. It is clear which method Gentry advocates.("Gentry's Tiny Mystery -- Unsupported by Geology" by J. Richard Wakefield, Creation/Evolution Issue XXII, Winter 1987-1988, pp 31-32)
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