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Topic: College helps maintain religiosity?
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Zhimbo
Member (Idle past 6040 days) Posts: 571 From: New Hampshire, USA Joined: 07-28-2001
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Message 1 of 10 (405785)
06-14-2007 9:29 PM
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So, there's a large scale study of religiosity and education, with an article about it at the Inside Higher Ed website. The key figures:
Percent of Young Adults Reporting Religious Declines, by Level of Education Educational Attainment %Decline in Attending Services %Decline in Importance of Religion %Disaffiliation From Religion Didn’t attend college 76.2% 23.7% 20.3% Attended, but earned no degree 71.5% 16.3% 14.6% Earned associate degree 60.3% 15.1% 14.4% Earned at least a bachelor’s degree 59.2% 15.0% 15.0%
So, by and large, on average, religiosity decreases from your teenage years to young adulthood (I'm not certain of the exact ages covered). Interestingly, and probably counter to most folks' intuitions, the higher your educational attainment during this time, the LESS relgiosity declines. So, there's no evidence that college *itself* drives people to decreased religiosity/increased agnosticism or atheism. So, while educated people tend to be less religous, it doesn't seem to be caused by the education. At least, that's how I read this. Any ideas as to why religiosity would be relatively maintained by college, (or, equivalently, why a lack of college education would would tend to erode religiosity)? Alas, this second-hand report doesn't give much detail, but if I get my hands on the original report I'll see if there's important missing info.
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bluegenes
Member (Idle past 2505 days) Posts: 3119 From: U.K. Joined: 01-24-2007
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Message 2 of 10 (405790)
06-14-2007 9:44 PM
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Reply to: Message 1 by Zhimbo 06-14-2007 9:29 PM
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If you find that people tend to be less religious the more educated they are, and the fall off in religion is lower amongst the college kids, then they must surely, as a group, already be less religious when they get to age eighteen.
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Zhimbo
Member (Idle past 6040 days) Posts: 571 From: New Hampshire, USA Joined: 07-28-2001
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Message 3 of 10 (405794)
06-14-2007 10:00 PM
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Reply to: Message 2 by bluegenes 06-14-2007 9:44 PM
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Indeed, but that doesn't strike me as an explanation. Belief in God is lower among the educated, but it is still quite high. Certainly we aren't talking about floor effects explaining the trends in the OP.
In a Harris poll among Americans:
Demographic groups that are more likely to say they are absolutely certain that there is a God include[...] People with no college education (62%) or who have some college education (57%) compared to college graduates (50%) and those with post-graduate degrees (53%).
Fully half of college graduates have a strong belief in God. Lower, but not vastly lower, than those without any college (62%). Heck, at those levels there we're closer to getting ceiling effects (which would predict the opposite trend than that noted in the OP). Still, I do suspect the "real" reason has to do more with the make-up of the groups than with effects of college itself. Although that point itself is also interesting, as many people quite strongly believe that higher education impacts upon belief in God. Edited by Zhimbo, : No reason given.
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jar
Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 4 of 10 (405798)
06-14-2007 10:09 PM
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Reply to: Message 1 by Zhimbo 06-14-2007 9:29 PM
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facts of life
Lots of it can be explained by simple facts of life. To get by without a shingle often means working two or even three jobs these days so those without a college education may simply not have time to attend, find that on their list of priorities that religion falls somewhat behind eating and that they have less and less in common with the folk in the suits. Increasing education often comes with increasing leisure, increasing security and increasing social contacts and responsibilities. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Taz
Member (Idle past 3320 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: 07-18-2006
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Message 5 of 10 (405799)
06-14-2007 10:10 PM
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Reply to: Message 1 by Zhimbo 06-14-2007 9:29 PM
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Zhimbo writes: Interestingly, and probably counter to most folks' intuitions, the higher your educational attainment during this time, the LESS relgiosity declines.
I've never had any opinion one way or the other whether higher education will get people away from religion. What I've been saying all along is that higher education will make you more likely to vote liberal. Just look at maps of election results county by county. For example, in the last presidential election, the United States was a red sea of Bush supporters with little blue islands that were major megalopolis and metropolitan religions and colleges and universities. In other words, too many hicks and hillbillies voted in the last presidential election...
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Zhimbo
Member (Idle past 6040 days) Posts: 571 From: New Hampshire, USA Joined: 07-28-2001
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Message 6 of 10 (405801)
06-14-2007 10:21 PM
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Reply to: Message 4 by jar 06-14-2007 10:09 PM
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Re: facts of life
You bring up a good point - these questions are not about core beliefs, they're about church attendance and affiliation. "Importance of religion" could mean any number of things, I'd want to see what people were actually asked.
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bluegenes
Member (Idle past 2505 days) Posts: 3119 From: U.K. Joined: 01-24-2007
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Message 7 of 10 (405802)
06-14-2007 10:27 PM
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Reply to: Message 3 by Zhimbo 06-14-2007 10:00 PM
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So, while educated people tend to be less religous, it doesn't seem to be caused by the education. At least, that's how I read this. It must have some kind of relationship, merely because there's a measurable difference. What I was trying to say is that if the "college degree" group ends up less religious after finishing college, but the fall off during those college years is less than that of the other groups, then the fall off amongst that group must have been greater than the others during high school. They already arrive at college less religious, on average, than the rest. Loads of people question the beliefs of their parents (religious, political and others) during their teens. It's a natural rebel age!
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RAZD
Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: 03-14-2004
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Message 8 of 10 (406030)
06-16-2007 9:21 AM
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Reply to: Message 1 by Zhimbo 06-14-2007 9:29 PM
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Interestingly, and probably counter to most folks' intuitions, the higher your educational attainment during this time, the LESS relgiosity declines. Not necessarily. What we don't see is another variable in the mix: the amount of religiosity in the groups entering the different levels of education. If the more religious tended increasingly to stay away from higher education (while the top education levels were still being pursued by the originally less religious) they would be removing themselves from the higher education data and causing a false positive result. Enjoy. Join the effort to unravel AIDS/HIV, unfold Proteomes, fight Cancer, compare Fiocruz Genome and fight Muscular Dystrophy with Team EvC! (click)
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anastasia
Member (Idle past 5981 days) Posts: 1857 From: Bucks County, PA Joined: 11-05-2006
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Message 9 of 10 (411493)
07-20-2007 10:28 PM
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Reply to: Message 1 by Zhimbo 06-14-2007 9:29 PM
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Did this study say whether people who were already atheist or agnostic were polled?
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anastasia
Member (Idle past 5981 days) Posts: 1857 From: Bucks County, PA Joined: 11-05-2006
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Message 10 of 10 (411494)
07-20-2007 10:33 PM
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Reply to: Message 8 by RAZD 06-16-2007 9:21 AM
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Right, the poll doesn't ask how religious a person was to start out with. Probably had a lot of atheists laughing when they asked if their church attendence had dropped. Edited by anastasia, : No reason given.
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