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nator Member (Idle past 2169 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
So, some more studies have come in, and it doesn't look good for abstinence-only programs.
It's not just that kids to take pledges to not have sex before marriage still have premarital sex (just a year or so later than those who do not take such pledges) and are more likely to not use any protection. Now studies are showing that the pledge-takers are more likely to also engage in oral and anal sex, also with less liklihood of using protection. In particular, the Latina, (very patriarchal and very Catholic) teen population) is most likely to engage in anal sex, which is an activity particularly likely to spread AIDS and other STD's when engaged in without condoms. It looks as though all of these strict Christians who love to tell their kids "just say no" are stupidly steering them into, um, somewhat more exotic endeavors.
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EZscience Member (Idle past 5153 days) Posts: 961 From: A wheatfield in Kansas Joined: |
Well you can't teach much about how to have safe sex when you limit your curriculum to 'just don't do it', can you?
Here is a relevant article on the Planned Parenthood site. I liked it.
quote: I know I have read some of those recent reports you are mentioning.I'll see if I can dig one up.
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nwr Member Posts: 6408 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
So, some more studies have come in, and it doesn't look good for abstinence-only programs.
We must be looking at different facts. Here are the facts as I see them:
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
It may be true that the attempt to keep sin to a minimum in a culture only provokes worse sins. The Law is said in scripture to provoke violations of it. Just the way things are.
But I also think that can't be the concern of leaders and teachers of youth. Their job has to be to stand for what's right and teach the kids what's wrong. I realize this is a very old-fashioned view. But you know what, until the sixties it pretty much was the status quo. There was always sin, there will always be sin, but there was never sin in this country before the sixties on the scale there has been since, with popular and political support yet, and partly this is because people take a practical view of it instead of a moral view. As I've been saying on the "Falwell" thread, if our national leaders support immoral behavior the nation will be exposed to God's punishment. This is the real reason for the health problems already created by the sexual freedom of the last few decades -- it's judgment, the kind of judgment that is built into the sin in this case, to echo Dr. Frost's comments on the other thread. So regarding this as a health problem instead of a moral problem IS the problem.
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CK Member (Idle past 4127 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
Sigh - we went through this last time you harked on about the 1960s, when I produced a series of reports that demonstrated that there were more unmarried mothers in the 1950s. Do I really have to do all that stuff up again - your pre-1960s golden age never existed - it didn't happened.
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 734 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
Same with "health issues" - syphilis and gonorrhea were rampant back before 1950. Those stats have been posted here, too.
Abstinence-only ain't workin'! Five pregnant eighth-graders in the school my wife works at, of a class with a hundred or so girls, who've been through the show-'em-diseased-genitalia sort of abstinence-only sex ed, pretty much confirms it for me. And those five were just the ones who carried babies to term/didn't go off to live at Aunt Debbies' house.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
yeah, do it again CK.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
When did the pill come out? That might skew some statistics.
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jar Member (Idle past 393 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Actually, it probably skewed the pregnancy statistics, but I can assure you it had little effect on the preliminaries.
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 734 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
The Pill was early 60's.
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CK Member (Idle past 4127 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
All how we all go in circles - I'm still looking for the earlier earlier thread (about unmarried moms) but this is from a later one on some of the same subject.
quote:[/quote]quote: http://EvC Forum: Sex Education -->EvC Forum: Sex Education
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SuperNintendo Chalmers Member (Idle past 5833 days) Posts: 772 From: Bartlett, IL, USA Joined: |
There was always sin, there will always be sin, but there was never sin in this country before the sixties on the scale there has been since, with popular and political support yet, and partly this is because people take a practical view of it instead of a moral view. Yeah, I can't believe how we actually treat black people like human beings now. I mean, we actually give women equal rights now also. There is oh so much sin now. Maybe you meant the 1860s, since slavery was abolished then
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CK Member (Idle past 4127 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
I was actually quite shocked to find out about this - 1967!!!!!
quote: Loving v. Virginia - Wikipedia Edited by CK, : Typo.
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subbie Member (Idle past 1254 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
You've got to remember, Faith is from the old school. You know, the "I know what the truth is, don't try to confuse me with the facts" school.
Doesn't matter what anyone else says or what statistics you can marshal, she's already made up her mind. Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
There was always sin, there will always be sin, but there was never sin in this country before the sixties on the scale there has been since, with popular and political support yet, and partly this is because people take a practical view of it instead of a moral view.
Yeah, I can't believe how we actually treat black people like human beings now. I mean, we actually give women equal rights now also. There is oh so much sin now. Maybe you meant the 1860s, since slavery was abolished then Oh yeah, trot out the popular PC accusations -- racism, sexism, etc. -- spawned in those very 1960s if you want to smear your opponent -- who has said nothing on the subject -- just because you don't like the opinion she DID express. Clever. Subject change + misrepresentation/straw man + character assassination. Works great. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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