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Topic: Archbishop says condoms are deliberately infected with HIV
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Shtop
Junior Member (Idle past 2326 days) Posts: 30 Joined: 07-19-2007
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Message 1 of 11 (424367)
09-26-2007 5:30 PM
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The head of the Catholic Church in Mozambique has told the BBC he believes some European-made condoms are infected with HIV deliberately. Maputo Archbishop Francisco Chimoio claimed some anti-retroviral drugs were also infected "in order to finish quickly the African people". The Catholic Church formally opposes any use of condoms, advising fidelity within marriage or sexual abstinence. Aids activists have been angered by the remarks, one calling them "nonsense". (snip) Archbishop Chimoio told our reporter that abstention, not condoms, was the best way to fight HIV/Aids. "Condoms are not sure because I know that there are two countries in Europe, they are making condoms with the virus on purpose," he alleged, refusing to name the countries. "They want to finish with the African people. This is the programme. They want to colonise until up to now. If we are not careful we will finish in one century's time." Full story:
BBC NEWS | Africa | Shock at archbishop condom claim Is it even possible this guy actually believes this? Because if he doesn't, he is deliberately lying, and endangering the lives of a great many people. ...or does anyone think he could be telling the truth?
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AdminPhat
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Message 2 of 11 (424436)
09-26-2007 11:09 PM
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Phat
Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.1
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Message 3 of 11 (424438)
09-26-2007 11:11 PM
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Reply to: Message 1 by Shtop 09-26-2007 5:30 PM
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Unbelievable
Shtop writes: Is it even possible this guy actually believes this? According to the link you provided he does. I thought that Arch Bishops were smarter than that!
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Omnivorous
Member Posts: 3978 From: Adirondackia Joined: 07-21-2005 Member Rating: 7.3
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Message 4 of 11 (424447)
09-27-2007 12:57 AM
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Reply to: Message 3 by Phat 09-26-2007 11:11 PM
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Re: Unbelievable
Phat writes: I thought that Arch Bishops were smarter than that! It wasn't a big step to Maculate Deception. Real things always push back.-William James
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Thor
Member (Idle past 5910 days) Posts: 148 From: Sydney, Australia Joined: 12-20-2004
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Message 5 of 11 (424460)
09-27-2007 4:03 AM
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Reply to: Message 1 by Shtop 09-26-2007 5:30 PM
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The deliberate infection thing certainly seems a little on the extreme side. More likely I'd say it's just another incarnation of the whole anti-condom thing that has reared its ugly head before. Vatican: condoms don't stop Aids | World news | The Guardian One wonders how many infections and/or deaths have resulted from all this. Bishop takes pawn.
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Dr Jack
Member Posts: 3514 From: Immigrant in the land of Deutsch Joined: 07-14-2003 Member Rating: 8.7
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Message 6 of 11 (424466)
09-27-2007 5:34 AM
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Reply to: Message 1 by Shtop 09-26-2007 5:30 PM
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Is it even possible this guy actually believes this? Because if he doesn't, he is deliberately lying, and endangering the lives of a great many people. ...or does anyone think he could be telling the truth? Ah, yes, but their immortal souls will be saved!
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Hyroglyphx
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Message 7 of 11 (424602)
09-27-2007 4:35 PM
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Reply to: Message 1 by Shtop 09-26-2007 5:30 PM
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Grand conspiracies
Is it even possible this guy actually believes this? Because if he doesn't, he is deliberately lying, and endangering the lives of a great many people. ...or does anyone think he could be telling the truth? Wow, that is a fantastic story! I'm sure he's being genuine, but clearly the burden of proof is on him. The collusion factor would be tremendous to pull off a stunt like that. "It is better to shun the bait, than struggle in the snare." -Ravi Zacharias
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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1467 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: 03-20-2003
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Message 8 of 11 (424613)
09-27-2007 5:27 PM
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Reply to: Message 7 by Hyroglyphx 09-27-2007 4:35 PM
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Re: Grand conspiracies
The collusion factor would be tremendous to pull off a stunt like that. Unless they're packing condoms with live cell culture these days, it would be impossible to "infect" condoms with HIV. The virus can't survive that long outside a host, which is why it's spread by direct fluid contact and not, say, toilet seats and doorknobs.
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Chiroptera
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Message 9 of 11 (424616)
09-27-2007 5:37 PM
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Reply to: Message 1 by Shtop 09-26-2007 5:30 PM
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Is it even possible this guy actually believes this? Yes. The belief that Western governments are using condoms to spread AIDS is fairly widespread in Africa (although I don't know how common it is).
In many respects, the Bible was the world's first Wikipedia article. -- Doug Brown (quoted by Carlin Romano in The Chronicle Review)
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Hyroglyphx
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Message 10 of 11 (424624)
09-27-2007 6:15 PM
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Reply to: Message 8 by crashfrog 09-27-2007 5:27 PM
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Re: Grand conspiracies
Unless they're packing condoms with live cell culture these days, it would be impossible to "infect" condoms with HIV Precisely. Furthermore, it would be relatively easy to debunk the entire assertion by simply testing these condoms for live cultures. Call it an argument of incredulity, or by any other name, but it simply sounds ridiculous to me and wholly implausible. "It is better to shun the bait, than struggle in the snare." -Ravi Zacharias
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Taz
Member (Idle past 3291 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: 07-18-2006
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Message 11 of 11 (424644)
09-27-2007 8:35 PM
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Reply to: Message 9 by Chiroptera 09-27-2007 5:37 PM
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Chiroptera writes: The belief that Western governments are using condoms to spread AIDS is fairly widespread in Africa (although I don't know how common it is).
It is not as common a belief as the belief that condoms are an instrument of the west to curb the population of Africans. After all, it is utterly rediculous to think that condoms could be used to spread AIDS among the Africans. We all know that only gay people can be infected with HIV. If you're straight, there shouldn't be anything to worry about. Disclaimer: Occasionally, owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have used he/him/his meaning he or she/him or her/his or her in order to avoid awkwardness of style. He, him, and his are not intended as exclusively masculine pronouns. They may refer to either sex or to both sexes!
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