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Author Topic:   Kent Hovind's debates, can someone help?
Buzsaw
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Message 59 of 127 (97024)
04-02-2004 11:09 AM
Reply to: Message 56 by JonF
04-02-2004 10:12 AM


As PaulK pointed out, he has been convicted of being a tax evader.
I see no conviction in Paul's posted quotes. What was the punishment for alleged conviction?
As I understand, Kent is going about his business openly and hiding nothing as usual to this day because he is legally correct and tax smart enough to do what he does about taxes without being convicted of any lawless proceedure.
I'm still researching so open to correction but so far have concluded that he is not being unlawful. So far, as I see it, Hovind is demonstrating that it is the government that is being Constitutionally unlawful in the first place in regard to tax policy.
Frequently Asked Questions... My question is this - If you think that the straw ... why do you fully agree with Kent Hovind's letter upon ... to build the foundation for his views of income tax? ...
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Buzsaw
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Message 60 of 127 (97025)
04-02-2004 11:16 AM
Reply to: Message 58 by PaulK
04-02-2004 10:16 AM


Re: Kent vs AIG
The speed of the light relative to the bystander is the same as it is relative to the car.
This would be true only at the split second point that the auto is at the location of the bystander.
Or to put it more formally the speed of light is a constant in all inertial frames of reference. I know that this is counter-intuitive and that it doesn't apply to the relatively low speeds we normally deal with but it is true nonetheless.
Ahh, now we're admitting that the argument does not fairly address Hovind's low speed model.

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Buzsaw
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Message 64 of 127 (97040)
04-02-2004 11:39 AM
Reply to: Message 56 by JonF
04-02-2004 10:12 AM


The original title has not been omitted from the site to which he referred, and nothing else has been omitted.
The bottom line and Hovind's valid point is that for a long time the fact of the total title has been withheld from the public and educational institutions all the way up the grades via edited editions.
Had the public been aware of Darwin's racial ideology relative to evolution and the influence this evidently had on Hitler, likely the book would have been banned for the kids rather than promoted to the status it has enjoyed.

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Buzsaw
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Message 79 of 127 (97371)
04-02-2004 10:17 PM
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04-02-2004 11:41 AM


Do you ever consider the possibility of finding things out for yourself? Following the link that Paul provided?
I did when he posted. I saw nothing in there to show conviction. I don't think there was conviction.
Hovind contends that paying taxes is voluntary, which decades of court decision denies. Taxes are not voluntary. He is not legally corect; the Supreme COurt is the final ruling on the law of the land, and they have ruled that paying taxes is not voluntary.
So you tell me why he is going about his life without being convicted and arrested. The fact that he is not is evidence he's right. The feds have no case or they'd go after him.

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Buzsaw
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Message 87 of 127 (97548)
04-03-2004 5:02 PM
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04-03-2004 9:11 AM


His petition for relief from the penalty that the IRS imposed was denied, and he had to pay the IRS penalty. This is explicitly stated in the decision that you claim you read. Just because he's not in jail does not mean he hasn't been formaly declared wrong by the court; he has.
I did indeed read the link, but my take on it was that there was a settlement of some back taxes as is the case with thousands of Americans but didn't see where he was convicted of a crime. My understanding is that he is still a tax protester, doing so without arrest. What have I missed?

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Buzsaw
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Message 89 of 127 (97552)
04-03-2004 5:23 PM
Reply to: Message 86 by Trixie
04-03-2004 3:05 PM


Re: Kent vs AIG
Trixie, we all make mistakes. I'm sure Kent knows there's only one star in our solar system and I think you know that he would be aware of that also. Likely he meant to say galexy and was quoted before having a chance to correct the mistake. I believe I heard him make a similar statement in one of his programs referring to the Milky Way galexy recently and didn't hear anything like that. I think I would have easily caught it if he had.

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Buzsaw
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Message 91 of 127 (97559)
04-03-2004 5:43 PM
Reply to: Message 85 by nator
04-03-2004 2:07 PM


Buz, do you think that fire-breathing dragons exist?
I don't think so. Did they ever exist? With dinosaurs I suppose it might be a possibility with some kind of a blow torch effect which would not contact tissue of the mouth with no contact, but that's as far as I go. There is figurative texts in some Biblical passages depicting consuming fires in connection with living beings.

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Buzsaw
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Message 96 of 127 (99678)
04-13-2004 12:39 PM
Reply to: Message 93 by nator
04-05-2004 11:54 AM


Schraf, I am saying I don't really know whether Hovind is correct about fire dragons or not. I've said that I don't agree with him about the young universe and some other, but by and large, I think he is quite credible in what he says in his lectures. You people pick out a few items and discredit him altogether on the basis of these few. That's not good science either, imo.
As for the reading of Darwin's "Origin of Species," for that matter likely most of my posting opponents of Biblical debates have not read the entire Bible either, so imo, this is a bogus implication on your part that I don't know enough about Darwinism to state emphatically what I've said concerning the subject. Have you read the Bible all the way, word for word, cover to cover, Schraf? If you have, you're likely a small minority of evos here in town who have.
Having said the above, there's a big difference in the reading of a book and the long time study of a book in depth, so whether one has read a book or has become apprised on the subject matter of a given subject are both considerations to consider.

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Buzsaw
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Message 97 of 127 (99684)
04-13-2004 1:12 PM
Reply to: Message 92 by crashfrog
04-04-2004 8:42 AM


Just to entertain the possibility, in your organic blowtorch effect, what's the ignition source?
While I don't for a minute believe that fire-breathing dragons have any basis in reality, if I had to suppose a real-world organism with some kind of fire breath attack, I'd suggest an effect akin to bombadier beetles - a hot chemical spray.
Well, I did say considering the possibility was as far as I wanted to go, but bioluminescense in sea and land animals which is as I understand is produced by a heat related chemical reaction involving luciferin and luciferace, causing the oxidation of the luciferin in the process might be a source of significant heat and light if soumehow applied to some kind of large dinosaur dragon type animal. I'm not saying that's what I believe, mind you, but luminenscense bugs and sealife are quite a remarkable thing too, imo.
Lucifer/luciferin/luciferace...........hmmm, interesting.........must be the scientists incorporated the evil Biblical angel of light into their scientific terminology here.

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Buzsaw
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Message 101 of 127 (99830)
04-14-2004 12:31 AM
Reply to: Message 100 by nator
04-13-2004 9:47 PM


Many threads on this site alone deal with his nonsense. Haven't you ever read anything that disagrees with him with the slightest bit of open-mindedness?
I judge Hovind on what he gives credible evidence for which is a lot more than what you're giving him credit for. Have you actually heard him lecture for two hours at a sitting? I've heard him on two hour segments on TV several times and much of what he says is very credible and interesting stuff which I believe anyone would be hard pressed to refute. I'm not including the fire dragons in this, btw, but I'm not discounting it altogether either. Nor am I including in this his claim that there are a few dinosaurs around. I don't think so, but believe he in sincere in his belief that there are some. I believe he is very sincere in what he believes, whether right or wrong.
As to your question about my reading of Darwin, I've read very little except exerpts from time to time for research purposes, etc. Having said that, what have I said about him that you are ready to refute?

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Buzsaw
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Message 102 of 127 (99834)
04-14-2004 12:46 AM
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04-13-2004 1:24 PM


You understand incorrectly. The bioluminescent reactions I know of (and I did my proposition oral exam on them in grad school) don't generate noticeable heat. They just make visible light.
I didn't specify as to how much heat I simply stated that heat was involved in the bioluminescent chemical reaction. Certainly a bug is not going to produce a noticeable amount of heat compared to, say a large animal if the process were measured in proportion. Can you document that I am mistaken?

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Buzsaw
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Message 106 of 127 (100309)
04-16-2004 12:03 AM
Reply to: Message 105 by nator
04-15-2004 1:20 AM


That he was calling for the extermination of non-whites, or that he was any more racist than any other English Victorian Christian intellectual male.
My take on Darwin's racism is that his version of evolution is inherantly racist, in that blacks were/are the lesser evolved types of humans, the blacks being more of the same color and having some features suggesting lesser evolvement. Would you agree?

The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buz

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Buzsaw
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Message 111 of 127 (100702)
04-18-2004 9:44 AM
Reply to: Message 107 by PaulK
04-16-2004 4:15 AM


My take on Darwin's racism is that his version of evolution is inherantly racist, in that blacks were/are the lesser evolved types of humans, the blacks being more of the same color and having some features suggesting lesser evolvement. Would you agree?
Paul, this is my question to Schraf. Do you care to give your answer this specific question of my post 106?

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Buzsaw
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Message 112 of 127 (100703)
04-18-2004 9:56 AM
Reply to: Message 108 by Coragyps
04-17-2004 11:34 AM


Re: Hovind and taxes
.....it's possible that Kent may be off the lecture circuit for a while. He seems to have forgotton to inform the taxman about his $1,000,000+ income in several of the last seven years.
1. The article does not say he forgot anything.
2. He's not charged with a crime or with tax evasion.
3. The article does not say his income was a million plus at any time. In my business, for example, my gross receipts are far more than my income.
You need to get your posting data fair and balanced before malaigning the man.

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Buzsaw
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Message 118 of 127 (101053)
04-19-2004 10:42 PM
Reply to: Message 113 by PaulK
04-18-2004 10:08 AM


Paul, why do you persist missrepresenting what I say? I based my assessment of Darwin's racism on the fact that he seemed to imply that their eventual elimination would be a good thing for the human race.
I don't think 19th century creationists would consider the elimination of the blacks as a good thing for the human race.

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