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Author Topic:   When science use biblic words (Re: Lazarus Taxa / Ghost Lineage)
Denesha
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Message 1 of 8 (98874)
04-09-2004 8:02 AM


Dear all,
Feel free to give your opignion about this term:
LAZARUS TAXA
Do you think this is a step toward a reconciliation?
See more about here: http://palaeo.gly.bris.ac.uk/publs/Benton/1999Wignall.pdf
PS. This is my first hundred post and I would like to thanks you all. I can't easily detect classic jokes in replies. But reading and posting here were very instructive.
Denesha

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Message 2 of 8 (99106)
04-10-2004 2:45 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Denesha
04-09-2004 8:02 AM


What is it?
When I clicked on the link it wouldn't go through.
Could you please explain what Lazarus Taxa is? It sounds like a Dinosaur.

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Denesha
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Message 3 of 8 (99114)
04-10-2004 3:46 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by One_Charred_Wing
04-10-2004 2:45 PM


Re: What is it?
Dear Born2preach,
It takes arround 20 seconds to download this PDF file with a low speed modem. But you need Acrobat to read it. I didn't mention that.
So, it's my goodness day, here is the intro:
From Wignall & Benton, 1999
Better now?
Denesha

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Message 4 of 8 (99144)
04-10-2004 9:07 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by Denesha
04-10-2004 3:46 PM


Neat
Neat is all I can really say about it. I don't think there's anything wrong with calling it 'Lazarus' at all; but a fossil is still dead. Since it just wasn't visible for awhile I would've called it the 'phantom'. But that's just me.

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Denesha
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Message 5 of 8 (99188)
04-11-2004 4:53 AM
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04-10-2004 9:07 PM


Re: Neat
Hi Born2preach,
Another term is used for a similar phenomenon: Ghost lineage
"A ghost lineage is an evolutionary lineage for which no fossil record exists, but the presence of which is inferred from related organisms separated by vast stretches of time".
(from Evowiki)
Strange. Some scientists prefer "ghost" rather than "Lazarus".
In fact both are overstated. The fossil lack is due to gaps, minimum population maintained in an undiscovered yet refuge area and regular low demography below the threshold of fossil record.
Denesha

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Message 6 of 8 (99287)
04-11-2004 3:48 PM
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04-11-2004 4:53 AM


Re: Neat
The fossil lack is due to gaps,
I can also be taken as strong evidence that not all specimens become fossils (which should be intuitively evident), and very strong evidence that an absence of evidence of "transitional" fossils is not evidence of an absence of transitionals -- as it could easily be the same phenomonon as the {ghost\lazarus} fossil records.

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Denesha
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Message 7 of 8 (99302)
04-11-2004 4:55 PM
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04-11-2004 3:48 PM


Re: Neat
Thank you Abby,
We could try to complicate a bit more if the gap includes a mass extinction or not.
Answers couldn't be simple.
Denesha

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04-11-2004 5:42 PM


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