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Message 9 of 66 (97240)
04-02-2004 5:37 PM


In regard to your moon smashing into Earth claim, here is some basic math that shows you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
Rate of recession: .038 meter/year
Current distance from Earth: 3.9 X 10^10 meters
1 year
---------- X 3.9 X 10^10 meters = 10.3 X 10^10 years
.038 meter
Assuming that the moon started out touching the Earth. By the way, 10.3 X 10^10 years is 103,000,000,000 years: that's 103 billion years.

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Message 11 of 66 (97244)
04-02-2004 5:39 PM


By the way, I am not a pacifist by any means. When I've made a mistake in one of my claims, I will willingly apologize and admit my mistake. However, I've never heard such apology from a creationist before. Wanna prove me wrong?

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Message 21 of 66 (97265)
04-02-2004 6:15 PM
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04-02-2004 5:56 PM


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But with your calculations .....(doing the math)...4.5 billion years ago, the moon would be about 45% closer, or about 106515 miles. Using the inverse square law, that would mean that the moons magnetic pull would have caused the tides to flood all land masses twice a day. I dont see how life could have formed when it is getting trashed by waves.
For once, this is a good question. Do not assume that stability encourages the formation of the first life forms. In fact, many scientists speculate that all the chaos at the time allowed different molecules to come together and form the first amino acids, which later came together to form the first protein. This sort of speculation came from laboratory experimentations where conditions are set to be similar to early Earth environments. These experiments have shown that amino acids could form under such conditions, which over a long period of time, could combine to form the first protein, and so on.

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Message 25 of 66 (97269)
04-02-2004 6:21 PM
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04-02-2004 6:13 PM


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But what about my earlier post, about the moon? No one has said anything yet.
And another thing. The earth's rotation has been decreasing, the earth is losing 1/1000 of a second every day. Every 10 months they add a second to the clocks. If you go back millions of years life could not have been supported on this planet. If the earth were billions of years old the centrifugal force would have notably deformed the earth surface. Is this info totaly incorect?
Again, this is far from the truth. We gain 2 seconds every 10 thousand years due to our own oceans. That's 5.5 X 10^-7 second per day. That is .00000055 sec per day. 1/1000 second per day = .001 sec per day. Big difference.
By the way, what earlier post about the moon? I already answered with math.

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Message 26 of 66 (97270)
04-02-2004 6:25 PM
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04-02-2004 6:20 PM


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how could anything have come together if 2x a day it would get washed back out into the ocean, or back onto the land? I mean, thats alot of water, and water gets pretty turbulant.
In this case, you cannot use common sense to judge such an event. Common sense tells you that the Sun orbits the Earth. Common sense tells you that heavier objects fall at a higher acceleration than lighter objects. Can't use common sense.
However, like I said before, laboratory experiments have shown that non-organic molecules could come into formation to create amino acids in such violent environments. By the way, amino acid is the basis of all life.
Edited: By the way, life didn't start on land. Life started in the ocean. At least, that's what the current abiogenesis model tells us.
[This message has been edited by Lam, 04-02-2004]

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Message 29 of 66 (97277)
04-02-2004 6:48 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by mark24
04-02-2004 6:38 PM


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I have no idea where you get 1 sec per 10 months!
This isn't necessarily his fault. It just proves that creationists, where Mnenth got his info from, would lie about the truth to support their beliefs. If you look at these 2 facts alone (rotation of earth and recession of the moon) and they turn out to be complete lies, I wonder what other facts they twist just to make the uninformed masses follow them. Am I glad I'm in college!

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Message 44 of 66 (97574)
04-03-2004 6:40 PM


Hit and run case yet again.

  
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Message 48 of 66 (118962)
06-26-2004 4:49 AM
Reply to: Message 47 by NosyNed
06-26-2004 4:36 AM


Re: Occilating Sun
Ned, could you tell me what's going on? I don't know what he is talking about when he said the sun "occilate" at a given time each day.

The Laminator

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