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NosyNed
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Message 16 of 66 (97259)
04-02-2004 6:01 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by Mnenth
04-02-2004 5:53 PM


Not sure
OK I apoligize. I shouldnt have posted something that i wasnt sure about.
It is ok to post things you aren't sure about. It helps if you ask about them rather than appearing to tell is all.
You should be making little mental notes about the sources you are using. If several things they say prove to be wrong you might want to start doubting all of what they claim or at least take it with a large pile of salt and check it out.

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Message 19 of 66 (97263)
04-02-2004 6:12 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Mnenth
04-02-2004 6:09 PM


I misread that, and appologize for it. But that still doesnt get rid of the possibility for the sun shrinking, we just dont have enough data to prove it either way.
So it will wait on more data of course.
Meanwhile, it has no impact on the issue of the age of the earth at all. Continuing to use it as an argument for a young earth is disengenuous at best.

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Message 38 of 66 (97316)
04-02-2004 8:48 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by Mnenth
04-02-2004 6:33 PM


Be very, very careful
yet earlier they said:
quote:
Through the use of ancient observations of eclipses, it is possible to determine the average deceleration of the Earth to be roughly 1.4 milliseconds per day per century
Mnenth writes:
to me, it looks like they said that the rate at which the earth slowed down was 1.4 milliseconds/day, then contraticted it later on. And how could you NOT use time lost to calculate rotation speeds? It is a constant loss.
Note the highlighted parts. You didn't restate it correctly. It is NOT a change of 1.4 milliseconds per day. It is saying that the length of the day is changing by 1.4 milliseconds after a century.
This works out to 14 seconds on the day in 1 million years assuming it remains constant. That is the day is a quater of an hour and some longer now than it was when the dinosaurs died.
Is this clearer now.
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Message 47 of 66 (118961)
06-26-2004 4:36 AM
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06-26-2004 4:25 AM


Re: Occilating Sun
Good question Trae. I'd sure like to see some back up for that statment.

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Message 49 of 66 (118966)
06-26-2004 5:15 AM
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06-26-2004 4:49 AM


Re: Occilating Sun
The oscillating sun is correct as far as I know. But it's on a basis of months or years IIRC. I don't understand the daily thing either.

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Message 57 of 66 (255155)
10-27-2005 3:34 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by happy_atheist
10-27-2005 1:07 PM


Sun's mass loss
Thus, as the mass decreases when the energy is released the gravitational field decreases, and the pressure starts winning the battle, resulting in a red giant. Obviously this isn't the case in every star, it depends on the initial mass. It is the fate that awaits our star though, IIRC.
I'm going on memory but I think this is not the reason that we expect the sun to bloat. The mass loss used to produce it's energy isn't great enough to be the issue.
What will happen is the hydrogen will become depleted and the sun will start to undergo other fusion reactions. These will supply new sources of energy and will bloat the outer layers of the sun.
I could, of course, be VERY wrong here. Hopefully someone who knows something will hop in here.

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