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Author Topic:   ID, Information, and Human Perception
Peter
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Message 41 of 49 (96577)
04-01-2004 5:46 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by Saviourmachine
03-15-2004 11:32 AM


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Inapproriate comparision, natural selection has to do with the 'concepts' genes and proteins.
No it doesn't, it is soley concerned with traits capable of
facilitating or debilitating environmental interactions.
In evolutionary terms they have to be heritable, but within
the single generation of a bowl of alphabet soup this aspect is
missing.

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Peter
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Message 42 of 49 (101791)
04-22-2004 4:00 AM
Reply to: Message 29 by Saviourmachine
03-17-2004 3:31 PM


Re: The existence of information
DNA is NOT data with structure ... it's just a chain
of base-pairs.
It can be viewed AS data, but has no syntax (any sequence
is possible).
The organisation is a human perception super-imposed over
the chemical found in almost all known cells. Holism helps
here .... life is an emergent property of the chemical systems
that reside within the cell.
It's not data processing ... its chemistry.

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Peter
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Message 47 of 49 (107407)
05-11-2004 9:41 AM
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05-06-2004 7:07 AM


Re: The existence of information
quote:
For example: time is typical something that human experience, but it's also something inherently existing in the real world even without us
Don't get me started on that one ....
quote:
DNA does even have semantics, not any sequence is valid, just as human writings.
I didn't actually mention semantics, since thre is not even a syntax
associated with DNA. What are the rules for a DNA sequence?
Well, maybe start and stop codons ... but the DNA in any set of
chromosomes doesn't have any actual syntactic rules that the
whole sequence adheres to (otherwise you wouldn't have premature
stops).
Nature doesn't 'percieve' anything ... except if you want to start
netsing analogies to obscure things even more.
DNA is a chemical ... it reacts with it's cellular environment,
which reacts with the extra-cellular environment.
A hierarchy of chemical systems so complex that to study it we need
a whole discipline of science.
That doesn't make it data in any conventional 'data-processing' sense.

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