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MrHambre
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Message 2 of 61 (93106)
03-18-2004 6:41 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Apostle
03-18-2004 1:49 AM


Just Asking
Apostle,
As a 'follower of history,' what would you say if someone put Jesus and the Apostle Paul at the top of his list, due to the way that their words have been used to justify war, genocide, and slavery through the ages?
regards,
Esteban Hambre

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MrHambre
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Message 51 of 61 (93840)
03-22-2004 11:07 AM
Reply to: Message 26 by joshua221
03-20-2004 6:06 PM


Jesus: Peace or a Sword?
quote:
MrHambre: As a 'follower of history,' what would you say if someone put Jesus and the Apostle Paul at the top of his list, due to the way that their words have been used to justify war, genocide, and slavery through the ages?
prophex: Manipulation is a dangerous thing, isn't it Mr. Hambre.
Not if you're the one doing the manipulating. Why is it always so obvious that if Jesus's words are the ones being used to justify atrocities, the fault lies with the people who misuse his philosophy? The same doesn't seem to apply to Darwin or Marx, who get the blame for the heinous acts perpetrated by those who claim their influence. The same people who quote me Darwin's petty 18th century prejudices never mention that Jesus said "I come not to bring peace, but a sword." (Matthew 10:34). The Prince of Peace actually did say, "He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one," (Luke 22:36), but it's Darwin that gets blamed for all the judgmental language.

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MrHambre
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Message 53 of 61 (93914)
03-22-2004 5:56 PM
Reply to: Message 52 by joshua221
03-22-2004 5:48 PM


Re: Jesus: Peace or a Sword?
I'm not asserting that Jesus advocated war or violence. I don't have to place the quotes in their proper context. I'm only making the point that Jesus's words can be misinterpreted just as egregiously as the work of Darwin or Marx. Tell me why Jesus should be exempt from the blame that believers place on Darwin for the way his work has been bastardized by racists. Either that or admit that Darwin can't be blamed for what the Nazis did.
regards,
Esteban Hambre

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