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Message 571 of 576 (922902)
04-15-2025 10:00 AM
Reply to: Message 569 by Zucadragon
04-15-2025 8:00 AM


Re: You and I Always Disagree
Zucadragon writes:
When I was going through a financial hard time, friends helped keep me on my feet without asking for anything in return.

Now I'm more comfortable and I in turn have helped those who I consider friends in troublesome situations, because their comfort is worth more to me than having a few hundred euro more.

I don't ask for them to pay me back, that's a personal choice, but really, they know they can trust in me and not have that stress, and I know I can trust in them if I were to stumble and require aid.

I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
That is exactly my experience. I got help from friends and family when I was struggling, and they never asked for anything in return. Instead of paying it back, I pay it forward.
To tie this back to our allies, that is exactly what happens. We give aid when help is needed, and down the line those same countries will help out allies, perhaps even the US. Why do (or did) we have such a strong alliance in Europe? Because of what we did during and especially after WW II. Without us, Russia may have very well rolled over the rest of Europe. We also helped to rebuild their countries and economies, ultimately to our own benefit as we grew wealthier together.
For someone to think this should be a direct 1:1 transactional process, they need to look back at history. They need to understand why the US is (or was) a leader in the free world.

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Message 572 of 576 (922928)
04-18-2025 9:48 PM
Reply to: Message 571 by Taq
04-15-2025 10:00 AM


Re: You and I Always Disagree
The U.S. is not "comfortable."
The WWII paradigm is over.

When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
God alone is God *but* God is not alone~Ellis Potter
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
Critics would of course say that "God" is a product of human imagination...but then again God may well declare that all of creation is a product of His imagination! It is all in the perspective of the observer.~Phat

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Message 573 of 576 (922929)
04-19-2025 2:14 AM
Reply to: Message 572 by Phat
04-18-2025 9:48 PM


Re: You and I Always Disagree
I hope you bought all that gold you talk about.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 574 of 576 (922947)
04-21-2025 12:09 PM
Reply to: Message 572 by Phat
04-18-2025 9:48 PM


Re: You and I Always Disagree
Phat writes:
The U.S. is not "comfortable."
Then name a country that is more comfortable. It could easily be argued that the US has (or at least had) the best economy out of the G7 and China.
The WWII paradigm is over.
Doesn't have to be.

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Message 575 of 576 (922948)
04-21-2025 3:10 PM
Reply to: Message 574 by Taq
04-21-2025 12:09 PM


Re: You and I Always Disagree
Taq writes in Message 574:
Phat writes in Message 572:
The WWII paradigm is over.
Doesn't have to be.
I assume he means the Cold War paradigm since the Soviet Union was an ally during WWII. In other words, he doesn't think we need concern ourselves with NATO or Europe, as if neither is any longer a factor in our security or well-being.
But it's just one more nonsensical bald declaration by Phat, accompanied by no evidence or argument.
--Percy

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Message 576 of 576 (922950)
04-22-2025 11:32 AM
Reply to: Message 575 by Percy
04-21-2025 3:10 PM


Re: You and I Always Disagree
Percy writes:
I assume he means the Cold War paradigm since the Soviet Union was an ally during WWII. In other words, he doesn't think we need concern ourselves with NATO or Europe, as if neither is any longer a factor in our security or well-being.
Then Phat is ignoring Putin's attempts to dust off the Iron Curtain and reinstall it.
The larger economic model involves US leadership. The US guarantees safe shipping lanes across the globe, a solid reserve currency, and access to the US market which is the strongest market in the world (for now). What the US expects in return is support for US goals across the globe. This system has worked since the end of WWII, and there is no reason why it can't continue.

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