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Author Topic:   Anglo-Israelitism , End Times and the misuse of scripture
Candle3
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Message 16 of 61 (921910)
02-04-2025 3:01 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by Phat
02-04-2025 10:48 AM


Re: Light A Candle And Don't Hide It Under Dogmatic Assertions
Phat, is something wrong with you? Paulk is the one who
brought this subject on here.
He did not not get Israelites or Jews from a comic book.
To know who they are, one must go to the Bible.
You should know this!
You advise dropping the whole creative/evolution debate.
My issue with you on this matter is that seem to straddle the
fence. You don't seem to have a complete understanding of
exactly what God did or didn't do.

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Taq
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Message 17 of 61 (921911)
02-04-2025 3:12 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by Candle3
02-04-2025 9:43 AM


Re: Anglo-Israelitism debunked. Now for the End Times
Candle3 writes:
Paulk, you will never learn. Your ego will prevent you from
seeing the truth, or at least admitting it.
Reminds me of the Mormon claims that indigenous Americans were the direct descendants of a lost tribe of Israel. They at least had the temerity to walk back their claims once the genetic evidence came in. Not so with Candle3. Nope, full bore ahead despite the evidence to the contrary.
Do you have any evidence outside of your twisted interpretations of scripture?

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Candle3
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Message 18 of 61 (921912)
02-04-2025 3:14 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by PaulK
02-04-2025 2:30 PM


Re: Anglo-Israelitism debunked. Now for the End Times
Paulk, you put forth you evidence for why all Israelites are
Jews.
If you can't do this, I will understand. Don't just make an
assertion, back it up.
As for the "abomination of desolation spoken of in Daniel 8
Read this:
Matthew 24:15 "Therefore when you see the abomination of
desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the
holy place....
The abomination of desolation had not occurred by the
time of Jesus. It is an end time occurrence.
Perhaps, you should read both Daniel 8 and Matthew 24.
Jesus did not believe you verdict.

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PaulK
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Message 19 of 61 (921913)
02-04-2025 3:24 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Candle3
02-04-2025 3:14 PM


Re: Anglo-Israelitism debunked. Now for the End Times
quote:
Paulk, you put forth you evidence for why all Israelites are
Jews.

I don’t make that claim, so why should I?
quote:
If you can't do this, I will understand. Don't just make an
assertion, back it up.
Since I didn’t make the assertion I don’t have to back it up.
Why don’t you put forth real evidence that the British are Israelites?
quote:
As for the "abomination of desolation spoken of in Daniel 8
I see that you still haven’t read Daniel 8 carefully.
quote:
Matthew 24:15 "Therefore when you see the abomination of
desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the
holy place....

The abomination of desolation had not occurred by the
time of Jesus. It is an end time occurrence.
It certainly had, and if you had read Daniel 8 carefully you would know that - and you would know that the “end times” of Daniel 8 themselves occur before Jesus was born. Verses 20-23 make that clear.
quote:
Perhaps, you should read both Daniel 8 and Matthew 24.

Jesus did not believe you verdict.
That only claims that Jesus did not believe Daniel 8.

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Taq
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Message 20 of 61 (921914)
02-04-2025 3:30 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Candle3
02-04-2025 3:14 PM


Re: Anglo-Israelitism debunked. Now for the End Times
Candle3 writes:
Perhaps, you should read both Daniel 8 and Matthew 24.
Matthew 24? That's like citing the Koran on how to interpret the Tanakh. There's a reason Jews don't accept Christianity. Their misinterpretations of Daniel and other books is amongst those reasons.

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Candle3
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Message 21 of 61 (921915)
02-04-2025 3:58 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by PaulK
02-04-2025 3:24 PM


Re: Anglo-Israelitism debunked. Now for the End Times
Paulk, you have no idea what Daniel 8 is about.
Prove the Israelites are not who I say they are. Or, admit
that you can't.

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dwise1
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Message 22 of 61 (921916)
02-04-2025 4:01 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by Taq
02-04-2025 3:30 PM


Re: Anglo-Israelitism debunked. Now for the End Times
There's a reason Jews don't accept Christianity. Their misinterpretations of Daniel and other books is amongst those reasons.
There was a line in the movie, Mein Bester Feind ("My Best Enemy", 2011 -- It's on YouTube now, but without English subtitles), where the Jewish son of an art dealer had to explain to his life-long Gentile best friend (who went on to become a Nazi, hence the title) why a Renaissance sketch of Moses depicted him with horns, that it was because the Christian translator didn't understand what the Hebrew said. The Jew then added something like (from memory): "Christians don't know how to read the Bible."
Truer words were never spoken.
I think one of Lewis Black's bits touches on the same problem: Lewis Black's Christian interpreting the Tanakh (Old Testament):
[ I think this link is inccorrect and that the YouTube video I have embedded is what dwise1 actually intended. --Admin ]
utube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=di4TySxfZ7E (would not embed)
Referring to TV preachers, he points out that all those preachers' interpretations of "my book" are wrong, adding: "It's not really their fault; it's just not their book."

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Candle3
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Message 23 of 61 (921917)
02-04-2025 4:03 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by Taq
02-04-2025 3:30 PM


Re: Anglo-Israelitism debunked. Now for the End Times
Taq, no one care about what you think of the Bible.
You are still trying to figure out how life came from non-life
You are on the horns of a dilemma.

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Taq
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Message 24 of 61 (921918)
02-04-2025 4:10 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by Candle3
02-04-2025 4:03 PM


Re: Anglo-Israelitism debunked. Now for the End Times
Candle3 writes:
Taq, no one care about what you think of the Bible.
Then why are you posting to a discussion forum?
You are still trying to figure out how life came from non-life

You are on the horns of a dilemma.
We know when we have a good point when you try to change the subject.

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PaulK
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Message 25 of 61 (921919)
02-04-2025 4:11 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by Candle3
02-04-2025 3:58 PM


Re: Anglo-Israelitism debunked. Now for the End Times
quote:
Paulk, you have no idea what Daniel 8 is about.
Says the guy who can’t read it. Daniel 8:20-23. Who is the Greek who conquered the Persian Empire? When he died which kingdoms - ruled by his followers - sprang from his Empire? When were these kingdoms latter days?
quote:
Prove the Israelites are not who I say they are.
Provide any decent evidence to say that they are Israelites. Or admit that you can’t. Don’t just make assertions - back them up. With something of substance.

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Candle3
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Message 26 of 61 (921920)
02-04-2025 4:32 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by Taq
02-04-2025 4:10 PM


Re: Anglo-Israelitism debunked. Now for the End Times
Taq, you have no idea how life came from non-life.
I know that you don't.
You have a belief (secular faith) that it happened by chance.
But, unless you can prove it, it ain't worth a dime.
Evolutionists like to say that creationists live in a fairy tale, but
actually it is the evolutionists that believe in fairy tales.
Create life for me and I will deny creation.

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Candle3
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Message 27 of 61 (921921)
02-04-2025 4:33 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by PaulK
02-04-2025 4:11 PM


Re: Anglo-Israelitism debunked. Now for the End Times
Paulk, I have provided evidence. It is not my fault that you do
not know the Bible, or understand it.

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Taq
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Message 28 of 61 (921922)
02-04-2025 4:48 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by Candle3
02-04-2025 4:32 PM


Re: Anglo-Israelitism debunked. Now for the End Times
Candle3 writes:
Taq, you have no idea how life came from non-life.

I know that you don't.
Still can't stay on topic?

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Taq
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Message 29 of 61 (921923)
02-04-2025 4:49 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by Candle3
02-04-2025 4:33 PM


Re: Anglo-Israelitism debunked. Now for the End Times
Candle3 writes:
Paulk, I have provided evidence.
You are being asked for evidence other than your twisted interpretation of the Bible. Any extra-biblical evidence?

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PaulK
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Message 30 of 61 (921924)
02-04-2025 4:51 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by Candle3
02-04-2025 4:33 PM


Re: Anglo-Israelitism debunked. Now for the End Times
quote:
Paulk, I have provided evidence
None of any substance.
quote:
It is not my fault that you do
not know the Bible, or understand it.
Says the guy who can’t manage to read Daniel 8.
Or even Daniel 8:20-23. Four verses. Certainly you haven’t managed to answer the very easy questions I asked.

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