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PaulK
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Message 106 of 314 (921604)
01-18-2025 2:47 PM
Reply to: Message 103 by KING IYK
01-18-2025 11:37 AM


Re: Bible Go Poof!
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Regarding The Pride and Arrogance you spoke of, I have to be so in order to avoid getting "dogpiled"- to use your words
You really don’t. In fact that’s likely to encourage dogpiling. As well as more hostile responses than you would get if you tried honestly discussing the issues with appropriate humility. Admitting, for instance that you have very little knowledge of mathematics would be sensible. You wouldn’t get mathematical challenges you obviously aren’t up to.
quote:
This environment does not exactly provide the atmosphere for humility to flourish and you can see that from PaulK's very first response to this thread.

As I said above your arrogance and pride encourages that atmosphere. It certainly affected my responses. My first response, by the way, was Message 2
Perhaps you would like to outline this so called “proof” here, so we have something to discuss which doesn’t rely on going to your website.
The claim to have a “proof” by the way is a very strong claim - and a very implausible one since philosophers have been trying for millennia and still not succeeded. Skepticism was more than warranted - even before we saw that the so called proof wasn’t even a rational argument.
I think that what you mean is that you had to use arrogance and pride because you were running a massive bluff. Which was bound to backfire - as it did.

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KING IYK
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Message 107 of 314 (921606)
01-18-2025 3:44 PM
Reply to: Message 105 by Percy
01-18-2025 2:28 PM


Re: Bible Go Poof!
"I haven't examined your proof and don't know what "segment one" is. I saw it was numerology and that was enough"
You only succeed at exposing your short-sightedness and close-mindedness when you hold the belief that The Creator of The Universe could not decide to reveal himself through Mathematics.
And since you have not taken the time to examine the proof, do not be surprised or bothered when you notice me rationing my time with you.
"This environment does not exactly provide the atmosphere for humility to flourish and you can see that from PaulK's very first response to this thread.

PaulK isn't the Christian in this discussion."
The humble shall call me humble and the proud shall call me proud.
Anyways, for those who might take the time to examine The Proof: Here is the crux:
By fixing the cross into the time clock, I illustrated how
God + The Father + The Son + The Holy Spirit = God
yet The Father, The Son, The Holy Spirit are not equal to zero.
Three has been united by one - Trinity.
See proof for full illustration.

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Percy
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Message 108 of 314 (921607)
01-18-2025 4:03 PM
Reply to: Message 107 by KING IYK
01-18-2025 3:44 PM


Re: Bible Go Poof!
I'll leave you to your numerological proofs. All the best!
--Percy

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KING IYK
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Message 109 of 314 (921614)
01-19-2025 1:13 PM


The Objective of this Proof is to prove The One True God is The Triune God and it intends to do so by demonstrating how three members of The Trinity could be united as one God: The very nature of The Triune God by way of Mathematics and The Word of God.
The proof begins by showing how the digital root of any trinity of numbers is 3,6, or 9 and this sequence is eternal.
111 » 1 + 1 + 1 = 3
222 » 2 + 2 + 2 = 6
333 » 3 + 3 + 3 = 9
444 » 4 + 4 + 4 = 12 » 1 + 2 = 3
555 » 5 + 5 + 5 = 15 » 1 + 5 = 6
666 » 6 + 6 + 6 = 18 » 1 + 8 = 9
The recurring sequence 3 6 9 is magnificent for its representation of The Truth: THE HOLY TRINITY !!!
By a careful examination of the scriptures, particularly Romans 5:6 which states "For when we were yet without strength, in due TIME Christ died for the ungodly". The Cross was fixed into the time clock.
Further validations of The Cross being fixed into the time clock are provided by 2 verses in the scriptures:
1.) Romans 8:34; Which states; "Who then is the one who condemns? No one. CHRIST JESUS WHO DIED—more than that, who was raised to life—IS AT THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD and is also interceding for us." On the cross, we see God, The Son positioned at the right hand of God The Father.
2.) John 14:6: which states; "I am the way, The Truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me"
On the cross, it is impossible to get to The Father without going through The Son. If you come through the vertical beam, you must go through the Son, likewise if you come through the horizontal beam. The Son is the One and Only mediator to The Father.
When the Cross was fixed into the time clock, we see that it aligned with the trinity of numbers illustrated earlier: The coordinates were 3 6 9 and 12. This is in alignment with the trinity of numbers illustrated earlier.
The Triune God is an Ultimate Unit existing in eternity as Three distinct Entities in The Name of The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit.
When all three entities are united to become an ultimate unit by deriving the digital root of the sum and the digital root of the unifying Godhead\God is derived, the result is:
The Father + The Son + The Holy Spirit = 3 + 6 + 9 = 18 » 1 + 8 = 9
God = 12 » 1 + 2 = 3
The Father + The Son + The Holy Spirit = 9
God = 3
The Resulting Numbers are 3 & 9
9 is comprised of three 3s. 9 ≡ 3 3 3 i.e. a single God existing as three identical entities.
When all components of The Cross are united to become an ultimate unit by deriving the digital root of sum, the result is:
God + The Father + The Son + The Holy Spirit = 3 + 9 = 12 » 1 + 2 = 3[God]
God + The Father + The Son + The Holy Spirit = God
The Three members of The Trinity have been united as God
The Objective of This Proof, which was to demonstrate the unification of the Three Members of The Trinity as a single God has been achieved.

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Tangle
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Message 110 of 314 (921615)
01-19-2025 3:49 PM
Reply to: Message 109 by KING IYK
01-19-2025 1:13 PM


Do you really think that repeating the same bollocks is going to work for you?
I'm glad you've given up the alphabet nonsense.
Percy has already shown you that Christ's cross does not fit on your clock at 3 or 9. With the whole image of the cross on the face it's 10 and 2. So you have no clock, sorry.
Not to mention that the only way you get to bring in a clock face at all is because there's a mention of the word "time" in the bible. "Time" does not equal "clock face". If I say "Get here in good time" I don't mean "get here on the face of a clock".
The whole thing is complete garbage

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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dwise1
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Message 111 of 314 (921616)
01-19-2025 9:24 PM
Reply to: Message 110 by Tangle
01-19-2025 3:49 PM


Percy has already shown you that Christ's cross does not fit on your clock at 3 or 9. With the whole image of the cross on the face it's 10 and 2. So you have no clock, sorry.
For that matter, clock faces only date back to the 1400's, so by KING IYK's reckoning there was no proof of "God" (whichever one he's talking about) for millennia (or at least for the first nearly one and a half millennia of the Common Era).
So if he's so free and easy about using new technology (eg, clock faces, the decimal numbering system in Europe), then why not use other new tech?
Hardly anybody uses clock faces anymore, but rather digital time displays. The hardware displays are based on the seven segment display, be it LED or LCD or other.
Each segment in a 7-segment (labeled a through g) is selected for specific numbers; eg:
  • a (top horizontal segment) -- 0, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9
  • b (top right vertical segment) -- 0, 1, 2, 3, 7, 8, 9
  • c (bottom right vertical segment) -- 0, 1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9
  • d (bottom horizontal segment) -- 0, 2, 3, 5, 6, 8, 9
  • e (bottom left vertical segment) -- 0, 2, 6, 8
  • f (top left vertical segment) -- 0, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9
  • g (center horizontal segment) -- 2, 3, 5, 6, 8, 9
Just think the all the possible special pleading numeric permutations and distortions that a seven-segment display could afford him. I'm surprised that he hasn't jumped on this one already!
Personal Note:
In my logic circuits class, our project was to design a 7-segment decoder which accepted four inputs (the four bits of a binary-coded decimal (BCD): b3, b2, b1, b0). Since our professor was bigoted against the military (and several other groups) and I was on active duty at the time, I got a C for that project while my partner, who had transferred out to the Air National Guard and grew his beard between drill weekends so he could pass for a civilian, got an A.

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nwr
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Message 112 of 314 (921617)
01-19-2025 11:59 PM
Reply to: Message 109 by KING IYK
01-19-2025 1:13 PM


You have observed an interesting pattern in the behavior of numbers.
There's an old trick, based on that pattern. It is called "Casting out the 9s", and is sometime used as a quick cross check on whether a mistake was made in arithmetic.
You can read about that here:
Wikipedia: Casting Out Nines
KING IYK writes in Message 109:
The Objective of this Proof is to prove The One True God is The Triune God and it intends to do so by demonstrating how three members of The Trinity could be united as one God
You don't really have a proof. You have an argument which falls short of being a proof. You might find the argument persuasive, but many people will see it as not at all convincing.
By the way, I'm guessing that you might be a child. I'll note that Percy did ask you to tell us a little about yourself.

Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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Message 113 of 314 (921625)
01-20-2025 6:39 AM
Reply to: Message 109 by KING IYK
01-19-2025 1:13 PM


Wait a second, you don't see a problem with your so called proof? I suck at mathematics, I'll admit to that, but if you add numbers in threes, your answer will be in threes as well.
If you were to do 2 numbers, you'd get answers in twos as well, let's see
11 >> 1 + 1 = 2
22 >> 2 + 2 = 4
etc
What about 5 numbers instead, will it give back answers in fives? Let us find out.
11111 >> 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 5
22222 >> 2 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 2 = 10
Woah, it does. The fact that you picked 3 of something as the starting point means you have a bias for the number 3, but it doesn't make 3 special, because literally every number has the same thing going on.
Even bad at math as I may be, the number 3 has no significant difference from any other number in this regard.
The recurring sequence isn't magnificent, it is plain, and it works for every number.

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KING IYK
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Message 114 of 314 (921670)
01-22-2025 5:57 AM


Th crux of The Matter remains:
The Bible reveals a God who is Triune in Nature. By applying Mathematics and The Word of God, through a coherent and consistent demonstration of ideas, The Proof arrived at this equation:
God + The Father + The Son + The Holy Spirit = God
yet The Father + The Son + The Holy Spirit is not equal to zero;
The Three Members of The Trinity are United as God
As it was revealed in The Proof:
The Father + The Son + The Holy Spirit = 9
God = 3
(See Proof for full illustrations)
God + The Father + The Son + The Holy Spirit = God
The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit exist as distinct yet coequal hypostases within the divine essence, such that their individual distinctions neither augment nor diminish the totality of God’s being, but rather subsist harmoniously within the indivisible unity of the Godhead.
An equation unlike any other.
There is non like it.
This is The God Equation. This is The Devine Equation.
So, Here is the challenge I put forward to all EVC family members:
Through deductive, consistent and coherent reasoning, as demonstrated in this Proof, arrive at an equation like this (A + B + C + D = A) and you might begin to have a counter for this Proof and sway my beliefs.
An aside: Any comment that strays from the essence of this challenge and resorts to veiled barbs will serve only to magnify the formidable nature of the challenge.

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Message 115 of 314 (921671)
01-22-2025 7:37 AM
Reply to: Message 114 by KING IYK
01-22-2025 5:57 AM


Now that you've completed your proof perhaps you can tell us a little bit about yourself. Where are you from and what do you do?
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 116 of 314 (921754)
01-27-2025 6:06 AM
Reply to: Message 114 by KING IYK
01-22-2025 5:57 AM


I think you have likely flown the coop, but in case you're still here you might be interested to know that there's an intense scientific search for planet nine. For more than a decade astronomers have been aware of an unlikely ordering of orbits of Kuiper belt objects and beyond. They're working with small datasets, so there's no certainty, but it could be caused by the gravitational influence of another planet, and so they are searching for it. They'll begin employing the new Rubin telescope in Chile sometime soon, and it should increase our observational capability of the furthest reaches of the solar system by about an order of magnitude. If they find it then there will again be nine planets.
Of course, if Pluto is actually a planet, as you claim, then there would be ten.
--Percy

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Message 117 of 314 (921755)
01-27-2025 8:27 AM
Reply to: Message 116 by Percy
01-27-2025 6:06 AM


I shall present a sequence of closed-ended questions, each designed to elicit a simple Yes or No response. No further elaboration is necessary, as every question or statement can be addressed solely in this manner. Any attempt to provide an explanation for a given question or statement will be automatically interpreted as a Yes. Participants’ responses should then be cross-referenced with the Proof to ensure their alignment with truthfulness.
Answers should be given like so:
1. Yes
2.No.
etc.
Ø Is the doctrine of the Trinity in Christian theology defined as the belief that God exists as one divine essence in three distinct persons: The Father, The Son (Jesus Christ), and The Holy Spirit?
Ø Within the framework of the Trinity, The Father is acknowledged as the ultimate Source of all divinity(John 17:3), embodying the very essence and nature of God. In the context of the proof presented, is The Father symbolically represented by the number "3"? Is God also assigned the number "3"?
Ø Hebrews 1:3 portrays the Son as the perfect and absolute replica of the Father, reflecting His essence in its entirety. If the Father is symbolically represented by the number "3," a perfect replica would naturally result in a sum total of "6." Within the framework of the Proof, is the Son symbolically assigned the number "6"?
Ø In the context of The Proof, the Holy Spirit is symbolically represented by the number "9," while the Son is denoted by the number "6." Scripture affirms that The Son is derived from the Holy Spirit, as stated in Luke 1:35. This raises a profound question: if the number "9" is inverted, does it yield "6"? Could this symbolic transformation reflect the spiritual truth that The Son is derived from The Holy Spirit?
Ø Does the proof suggest that aligning the crucifixion cross within the framework of a time clock serves as the key to unveiling the ultimate Truth which The Proof considers to be The Holy Trinity?
Ø Did this alignment of The Cross into a Time Clock correspond with a previous demonstration of a Trinity of Numbers with a recurring sequence of 3, 6, 9?
Ø Upon fixing the cross into the time clock, did the coordinates reveal how the three members of The Trinity are united as a singular God?
Ø In Christian Theology, The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit exist as distinct yet coequal hypostases within the divine essence, such that their individual distinctions neither augment nor diminish the totality of God’s being, but rather subsist harmoniously within the indivisible unity of the Godhead.
Ø Could the statement above be represented with the following equation:
God + The Father + The Son + The Holy Spirit = God?
Ø Was such an equation derived through a series of consistent and coherent ideas in The Proof?
Ø Does the equation transcend the established principles of mathematics?
Ø Just as The concept of The Trinity has confounded the minds of Men, does the stated equation share the same characteristics?
This is The Book With The Seven Seals and The Lion of The Tribe of Judah has triumphed. He has opened The Book With The Seven Seals, and The Truth now stands revealed.
King Iyk. King of Kings, Lord of Lords.

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Message 118 of 314 (921756)
01-27-2025 9:00 AM
Reply to: Message 117 by KING IYK
01-27-2025 8:27 AM



“There’s simply no polite way to tell people they’ve dedicated their lives to an illusion,”
-Daniel Dennett
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Tangle
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Message 119 of 314 (921758)
01-27-2025 9:22 AM
Reply to: Message 117 by KING IYK
01-27-2025 8:27 AM


Have you ever had any success ignoring what people say to you and repeating the same bollocks back to them? I doubt it - you'll certainly get nowhere here with that tactic.
Why not try something different, like taking on some of the challenges you've been presented with?

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Percy
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Message 120 of 314 (921763)
01-27-2025 12:54 PM
Reply to: Message 117 by KING IYK
01-27-2025 8:27 AM


Would you say that most Christians are like you?
--Percy

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