The Second Trump Presidency

And Trump is still being an idiot over the Panama Canal, now claiming that Chinese soldiers are operating it BBCHe’s an embarrassment to America - again.

Hello dwise1, good to hear from you!It was a simple salutation and observance, meant to remind me and others that we are all here in this imperfect world and, to a great extent, our existence here depends on how we treat one another.The EvC Forum participants would look like very polarized belligerents to the non-EvC outsider civilian. But, really, we probably have alot more in common than it would appear since we are all spending precious time communicating ideas of shared interests passionately.

Yes, indeed. Among normal people.But you're a Trumpist and a MAGAt, so you don't care how you treat others. For you, cruelty is the point.And if you are a Christian Nationalist, then doubly so.Just be a Mensch, already!

TRANSPARENCY & SHADEThe Trump Administration is shaping up to be the most transparent of any administration in history, and all indications are they will keep their pledge to do so. His nominees/posse are promising to post their daily goings-on to various social media, and most of them can’t get enough of talking to the old media, the new media, the public at large, and so on. They’re all eager to tell you what they’ve done, what they’re doing, and what they plan to do.Contrast this with the stonewalling, gaslighting, secrecy, and out-and-out lying of the current Administration, and the Administration's general dismissiveness of the electorate’s interest in the government’s policies and actions. These are just a few examples:1. Dronomania – The administration has offered so many conflicting statements that it’s obvious to everyone that they’re hiding something, something the public would very much like to know about. A taste of the Admin’s response to the public’s concerns:
• You’re not really seeing drones; you’re actually mistaking legitimate aircraft for UFO’s.
• We don’t really know what they are, but we can assure you they’re harmless, and don’t shoot them because we don’t know what they’re payload is……if they really are drones.
• From Homeland Security: We don’t have the authority to shoot them down.2. Afghanistan debacle: Great idea to get out of that quagmire, but executed in the in the most disastrous, humiliating, and destructive way possible. The administration hails it as a great military operation, no further explanation needed or given.3. Telling Ukraine to shoot advanced missiles into Russia a couple weeks after Harris lost the election, a significant and potentially catastrophic escalation of the war largely seen as formal US entry into the war, at least by Russia. Maybe there was good reason for this, but they haven’t explained it, and it sure looks like Biden is simply trying to jam things up for Trump and the Trump promise to bring peace to the region.4. Selling the Border wall materials as scrap for pennies on the dollar – Maybe there is a clear explanation for this, but it sure looks like Biden is simply trying to jam things up for Trump and the Trump promise to continue construction of the wall. And they aren’t Trump’s materials, they’re the taxpayers’ materials, and the taxpayers will have to pay for these materials again at premium prices.5. Chinese weather spy balloon: The balloon floats across the US for days, weeks with no response to China from the Administration, the ballon traverses military installations and who knows what else, and we’re told not to worry about it, it’s not really getting any good info if it is a spy balloon, and it’s not dangerous but we don’t want to shoot it down because we don’t know what will happen. And when we finally shoot it down we blow it to smithereens so there is no useful reconnaissance of the ballon’s functions and hardware. And, of course, no explanations, just nothing to see here, run along now.6. President Biden’s mental fitness: Everybody has known about the decline since before the 2020 election, but with the recent reports we now know that the Administration, The DoD, and Congressional Leaders, among others, knew officially of the decline but did everything they could to hide this from the public. Until the June-2024 debate fiasco, that is.7. So they very un-democratically pushed Biden out and jammed Harris in without any primary voting activity (because there was no time to do things democratically, you see). Again, no explanation of anything and no discussion, despite objections from their own party.8. So who’s been running the country since June when it was decided he was not fit for the election? Who’s been running it since the election? Matter of fact, who’s running it now? Who decided it’s a good idea to have Ukraine fire our advanced missiles into Russia? Who decided it’s a good idea to give clemency/pardons to thousands of seeming random recipients? Who's running the show?

Donald Trump on Illegal Immigrants:

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The Democrats say, 'Please don't call them animals. They're humans.' I said, 'No, they're not humans, they're not humans, they're animals.
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blood-thirsty criminals
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the most violent people on earth

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Where do see "good will toward men" in that? Given Trump's cruel policies, how do you justify calling those opposing them as "very polarized belligerents"? Aren't they the ones who embody the sentiments you earlier expressed? What qualities do you see us having in common?--Percy

Yes, formal charges would have exposed the lack of security, and those responsible for it. (Nancy Pelosi). And the fact that the few policemen that were there invited some of the first ones to arrive inside. Also would have been a much more thorough investigation on the murder of Ashley Babbitt.Trump will pardon some, possibly not all, of the rioters from January 6th. The mainstream media will be all over it of course, much more than they have been about Biden's lie about not pardoning his son, or about his recent commuting of most federal death row inmates death sentences.

You were responding to my Message 134 that was about the incoming Trump administration's announced intent to resume family detention. Nothing you said touched even remotely on that.Also, this thread is about The Second Trump Presidency, and you barely mentioned Trump, either. If you have legitimate and meaningful criticisms of the Biden administration or the election then I suggest you take them to the The Biden Presidency and 2024 US Presidential Election threads.--Percy

It's an interesting turn-around, he's generally more popular now than he was throughout his first term, and after all the fireworks after January 6th 2021. The reason for that is because the public has now had a chance to compare his first term presidency with that of Biden's. But he's now more intensely hated than ever by somewhere around 38% of the population, those with TDS. This includes most of the mainstream media anchors. While those haters refer to their opinions on how terrible Trump was in handling the Covid crisis, the public knows that a Democrat administration wouldn't have done any better.I'm sure you've heard about this;https://www.cnn.com/...at-we-know-subway-fire-hnk/index.htmlViewers of the half hour evening news reports haven't, no reports. The woman as yet hasn't been identified, understandable, since she was pretty much burned beyond recognition, including any identification she might have had. The mainstream media treats this case much differently than they did the George Floyd case. She wasn't resisting arrest, there was no suspicion of drug use, but policemen versus illegals get accused differently by the news media. That's their biggest cover-up, most any mention of the heinous crimes that some illegals commit. But they'll pour on the sensationalism when the Trump administration starts the deporting process. There'll be plenty of pics and vids of tear stained faces of illegals as they're being deported.I trust Trump and Homan will do it right, they should be careful with too many deportations - it's not possible to perfectly correct all that Biden has screwed up. They just need to deport known criminals, and they're going to have to let a lot of illegals who don't seem to be a threat alone. A lot of them are good workers, and the news media will pounce if anyone other than a known criminal is deported. The most important thing is to SEAL THE BORDER. The illegal that set the woman on fire was deported during Trump's first administration, then came back in during the Biden administration. That has to stop, once deported, they have to stay gone. It's so funny to see his haters claim HE'S out for revenge! The recipient of the Mar-a-Lago raid, the attacks of Fani Willis, Jack Smith, Alvin Bragg, and others over the past 4 years. The constant hauling him into court, Colorado and other states trying to get him off the ballot, it has gone on and on for the past 4 years. And they accuse HIM of revenge! The public is less against him now than in the past, and they see through a lot of it. We'll see, his haters have a lot of new ideas. But it should be pretty transparent - as I said, they're only out to get him, the well being of the country doesn't matter near as much to them.

The point is that the coming Trump presidency will be ultra-transparent. Contrasting this with the current administration should give everyone relief in that regard, even if they disagree with some of Trump's actions.As far as Message 134, Trump and Homan are choosing to enforce the law rigorously. This is in response to years of rigorous abuse and neglect of the law. The situation has become very ugly because it was allowed to grow out of control due to Biden's policies. Correcting this will be ugly and difficult.Trump and Homan have solid public support on this front; people want to see the laws enforced. If you don't like the laws then change them.

K.Rose, the pro-rapist, is pontificating about decent treatment.Sociopath . . .Antisocial personality disorder - Simple English Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is a PRATT that has been rebutted so widely and often and is so obviously untrue that anyone repeating it now is just lying. The Speaker of the House is not responsible for security. Nancy Pelosi was no more responsible for security on January 6th then Mike Johnson is now. Any police who helped or assisted January 6th rioters were investigated for it: Capitol Police Suspends 6 Officers, Investigates Dozens More After Capitol Riots : Capitol Insurrection Updates : NPR. Invading the capitol broke the law, and anyone assisting those who invaded the capitol broke the law, including police. It's on video. After the window of the door to the House Speaker's Lobby was broken, through which Congressmen could be seen, Ashli Babbitt went through and was killed. The man who broke the window, Chad Barrett Jones of Kentucky, was found guilty of two felonies and various misdemeanors. His sentencing was set for November 8th of last year, then was rescheduled, and since I can find no mention of his actual sentencing it may not have happened yet. The maximum sentence for his offenses is 20 years, but the maximum has never yet been imposed on any January 6th rioter. Wikipedia doesn't list a sentencing for Jones (List of cases of the January 6 United States Capitol attack - Wikipedia). Yes, he probably will. Yes, the mainstream media reported these events, as they will undoubtedly report on Trump pardons. But you're comparing apples and oranges. Hunter Biden was pursued relentlessly not because of what he did but because of who he was, and most of it was based on the lies of FBI informant Alexander Smirnov, who pleaded guilty early this month to lying about a phony bribery scheme involving Joe and Hunter Biden. The death row inmates weren't pardoned but only had their sentences commuted to life in prison.In contrast, any Trump pardons will free the insurrectionists who committed felonies against the government of the United States at the behest of then president Donald Trump.--Percy

And indeed, we have film of Pelosi on the phone pleading for the person actually responsible for security, Pres. Donald Trump, to call in the National Guard.And where was Trump at that time? Not MIA (missing in action), but rather sitting in inaction in front of his TV enjoying the news coverage of his rioters and refusing to take any action to stop it, including refusing to listen to his own staff's pleas for him to take action.Funny how MAGAts fiercely maintain their willful ignorance of the facts. And we've reviewed and discussed those videos (the second one taken by a rioter from behind which clearly shows her continuing to advance through the broken window before being shot in direct defiance of shouted orders to stop and retreat).Here is what I explained to meatpuppet9000 in Message 430 (04-Dec-2021): meatpuppet9000 did not reply, but instead continued to repeat his same stupid lie. When he repeated it in his Message 80 (23-Jul-2023) I reposted my earlier reply on the same day in my Message 88. Though I added: That time he did "reply", but only to try to change the subject.Ashli Babbitt was not murdered, but rather she committed suicide by cop:

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Suicide by cop (SbC), also known as suicide by police or law-enforcement-assisted suicide, is a suicide method in which a suicidal individual deliberately behaves in a threatening manner with intent to provoke a lethal response from a public safety or law enforcement officer to end their own life.

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Due to her over-a-decade of military training and experience in the same capacity of the cop whom she chose to provoke, she knew fully well and far better than most of the other rioters there how the cops would respond to her actions. Clearly a suicide-by-cop.The only alternative is that she died of terminal stupidity. And her inability to ever learn (referring to her 12 years of military training that just rolled of her back like water on a duck).Should someone be held responsible for her death? If so, then that would clearly be Trump who had ordered that riot to be organized as part of his planned insurrection. Even though meatpuppet9000 did say "commute" instead of "pardon", we cannot assume that he knows the difference.Perhaps we should also test his knowledge of tariffs.

By fireworks, do you mean attacking our democratic institutions and even his own vice-president? I think everyone's on board with deporting illegal immigrants who commit crimes, but that's not what Trump and and border adviser Homan are saying. While Trump has whipped up hysteria about illegal immigrants bringing a wave of crime, statistics show that illegal immigrants commit crimes at a lower rate than the general population. If Trump wants to reduce crime he should let in more immigrants, not less. Any large group of people, like illegal immigrants, will be very similar in these types of qualities to any other large group of people, like American citizens. They'll all fit under similar bell shaped curves for qualities like intelligence, integrity, and so forth. I don't know about that, but the news media will undoubtedly call attention to abuses like family detention, which Homan has vowed to resume. I don't think you really want to seal the border. I think what you really want is to reduce the number of people crossing the border illegally, and I think we all want that. But echoing K.Rose's call for good will toward men, I want those who do cross the border illegally to be treated fairly and humanely, and I want requests for amnesty honored and heard fairly in a timely fashion. How do you propose guaranteeing that never happens? Getting across any border is a crap shoot. A certain percentage will always get across. Who makes it and who doesn't is serendipitous. No border is 100% impervious. K.Rose keeps mentioning transparency, what I called "think it/say it", and Trump has been very clear about his desire for revenge. For just one recent example, he spoke publicly about going after Liz Cheney for her participation on the January 6th committee. That's very transparent, and denials that Trump is seeking vengeance aren't consistent with what he says.But about haters, I think a more accurate term is "those who believe in accountability." Didn't he do what he's accused of doing? Jack Smith is winding down his federal cases because they can't go forward against a sitting president, but Bragg won a conviction on 34 counts, and the Georgia election interference case will go forward, but without Willis. If he hadn't incited insurrection, committed election interference, engaged in illicit business practices, withheld classified documents he had no right to, sexually abused women, and used campaign funds for payoffs, then he wouldn't find himself in courtrooms all the time. Colorado applied a law that prohibits people who have engaged in insurrection or rebellion from running for public office. The conservative Supreme Court ruled that only the federal government can determine who runs for president. They were silent about whether Trump had engaged in insurrection. The length of time is unfortunate. Part of the blame must go to Attorney General Merrick Garland, who moved extremely slowly in moving forward on investigations and appointing a prosecutor. And part of the blame must go to Trump's legal teams who so successfully fought for delays across all the cases. I can't believe you're saying this. You've undoubtedly been listening to what Trump says on the news for months, so how can you deny that Trump has vowed vengeance, something he's done repeatedly. You shouldn't need reminding, but to cite just one instance, here's what he said in a June interview with Sean Hannity: “Look, when this election is over, based on what they’ve done, I would have every right to go after them, and it would be easy because it’s Joe Biden.”It makes no sense to me that the country has again elected Trump. They know not what they do.--Percy

It's like you're living in an alternate universe. Trump can barely get through a sentence without uttering some lie or misrepresentation. When measuring honesty and integrity Trump doesn't even move the needle. Cruelly even, one might say. How so? Yes, I know, you want to blame Biden for everything, even drones over New Jersey. Well, yes, cruelty is pretty ugly, but cruelty is what you're endorsing by supporting Homan's plans.The border problem isn't the fault of any politician. It was created by conditions in Central America that caused large numbers of people to flee deadly crime and/or desperate economic conditions. I hope that every administration deals with those trying to enter the country illegally as humanely as possible. People have to be pretty desperate to leave their homes with few possessions or resources and face unknown dangers, and we shouldn't be making their lives any more wretched than they already are. I think everyone wants the laws enforced, but not at the expense of their humanity. I hope everyone who understands a law is cruel would want to change it.--Percy

Very good, you addressed two words out of the 17 that I wrote. SOMEBODY was responsible for the lack of security, and I doubt if it was Trump. Unless the police were black, and murdered a white woman. Right. She wasn't resisting arrest. She wasn't a big strong man with a threatening physical presence. She was a U.S. service veteran. No evidence that she was on drugs. LOTS of differences between her and George Floyd. Which of the two got more media sensationalism time? But there will be a huge difference in the amount of time and sensationalism spent on Trump events, versus the quick passing reports on Biden events and lies. And Trump wasn't pursued relentlessly because of who HE was?? The guy whose 2016 win was the biggest embarrassment to the mocking Democrat party that they've ever received? No difference between the apple and the orange man. There are still a lot of questions about the schemes of Joe and Hunter Biden. Joe's claims of not knowing a thing in this world about his son's business dealings aren't getting any easier to believe, since recently released pictures of Joe and others have come to light. Only Fox News reports that, not the mainstream media. Yes with no possibility of parole. That's about as believable as Biden's claims that he wouldn't pardon his son. If they do get paroled, it will be covered up of course. Their "crimes" don't even compare to the heinous crimes that Biden's death-row-forgiven inmates committed.