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PaulK
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Message 91 of 100 (920815)
11-21-2024 3:33 PM
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11-21-2024 3:30 PM


Re: Gaetz has gone
All the Republicans on the Committee voted to keep the report secret.

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Message 92 of 100 (920817)
11-21-2024 3:46 PM
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11-21-2024 3:33 PM


Re: Gaetz has gone
PaulK writes:
All the Republicans on the Committee voted to keep the report secret.
That's what I would do if I planned on leaking it later, especially if I wanted to save other Republicans from the discomfort of voting against Trump.

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Percy
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Message 93 of 100 (920819)
11-22-2024 8:19 AM
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11-21-2024 3:30 PM


Re: Gaetz has gone
I don't know how much actual concern Gaetz is experiencing about Ethics Committee report. Normal people would of course be very concerned, but if there is a single quality shared by most MAGA people it's no sense of remorse or shame.
Hence, if DeSantis is so moved, he'll reappoint Gaetz to serve out the rest of his term in Congress.
But we mustn't forget that Gaetz was reelected to the next Congress whose first session begins January 3, 2025. So even if he isn't reappointed by DeSantis, he'll be back in Congress in six weeks anyway. I saw some mumblings about some Congressional rules and how House officers might interpret them regarding the resignation during this term, so there's no guarantee they'll seat him, especially after all the "friends" he's made, especially Kevin McCarthy.
If Gaetz no longer serves in Congress, what will he do? One speculation is that he might run for governor of Florida in 2026.
Trump himself is responsible for losing (possibly) one of his staunchest supporters in Congress. By appointing Gaetz to be AG he forced Gaetz to resign in order to avoid the Ethic Committee report that would have hurt his chances. Had Trump not made the appointment I think Gaetz would have survived the Ethics Committee report. I think he might have been sanctioned and/or removed from committees, but little more. He wouldn't have lost his seat.
--Percy

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Message 94 of 100 (920820)
11-22-2024 9:59 AM
Reply to: Message 93 by Percy
11-22-2024 8:19 AM


Re: Gaetz has gone
Percy writes:
I don't know how much actual concern Gaetz is experiencing about Ethics Committee report. Normal people would of course be very concerned, but if there is a single quality shared by most MAGA people it's no sense of remorse or shame.
Just out of curiosity, who do you label as "MAGA" people? Republicans in general? Anyone who voted for Trump? Or anyone who does not share your shame and disdain for Trump.
I saw that Gaetz was a bad pick from the get-go. That being said, I dont think Trump is an idiot for selecting him initially, knowing full well that he had to resign. For all we know, Trump was actually doing a favor for Kevin McCarthy and figured that Gaetz would self implode. Trump had to know the allegations against Gaetz and did not seriously believe that Gaetz would make a good Attorney General. Sure enough, the ethics committee turned up the heat and Gaetz resigned.
I have never been a fan of Trump and still wonder offhandedly if he is the antichrist, but
I know that he is not as dumb as the elite would like him to be. Anyone who has survived the spotlight turned up on him and ending up winning a popular vote mandate has got to have some sort of power. It is my opinion that he loves to lure the media into rational speculation games which he then foreknows the outcome. While one side calls him simple-minded at best and evil at worst, the other side sees the hypocrisy of the liberal media and how they have a holier-than-thou attitude.
Pam Bondi has a few skeletons in her closet also.

When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
God alone is God *but* God is not alone~Ellis Potter
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
Critics would of course say that "God" is a product of human imagination...but then again God may well declare that all of creation is a product of His imagination! Its all in perspective of the the observer.~Phat

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Percy
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Message 95 of 100 (920821)
11-22-2024 11:15 AM
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11-22-2024 9:59 AM


Re: Gaetz has gone
MAGA is just short for Trump follower.
--Percy

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kjsimons
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Message 96 of 100 (920824)
11-22-2024 3:56 PM
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11-22-2024 8:19 AM


Re: Gaetz has gone
Looks like Gaetz won't be returning to Congress per his own words.

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PaulK
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Message 97 of 100 (920825)
11-22-2024 4:47 PM
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11-22-2024 3:56 PM


Re: Gaetz has gone
I’m not surprised. My impression was that he was afraid of the Ethics Committee report, beyond what it might mean to his chances of Confirmation as Attorney General (which really depended on Trump strongarming the Senate anyway).

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DrJones*
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Message 98 of 100 (920826)
11-22-2024 8:16 PM
Reply to: Message 96 by kjsimons
11-22-2024 3:56 PM


Re: Gaetz has gone
he wanted to spend more time with someone else's kids.

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Taq
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Message 99 of 100 (920838)
11-25-2024 12:56 PM
Reply to: Message 94 by Phat
11-22-2024 9:59 AM


Re: Gaetz has gone
Phat writes:
Just out of curiosity, who do you label as "MAGA" people? Republicans in general? Anyone who voted for Trump? Or anyone who does not share your shame and disdain for Trump.
MAGA isn't Republican. It's something different, a mix of Democratic populism and isolationism. This is why you have seen so many traditional Republicans leave the party over the last 8 years.
I know that he is not as dumb as the elite would like him to be. Anyone who has survived the spotlight turned up on him and ending up winning a popular vote mandate has got to have some sort of power.
It's his loose grip on reality that worries me the most. He believes whatever people tell him, thinks reality changes to fit his beliefs, and doesn't care to learn new things. He's also easily manipulated by flattery.
The one power he does have is being a salesman.

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Percy
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Message 100 of 100 (920855)
12-01-2024 7:44 AM


A Reminder from Cabaret
Joel Grey starred in both the Broadway and film versions of Cabaret, and he has a column in today's New York Times: I Starred in ‘Cabaret.’ We Need to Heed Its Warning.. These brief excerpts sum it up:
Joel Grey:
This past week marked 58 years since the opening night for the Broadway premiere of “Cabaret” in 1966...The parallels between the rise of fascism in 1930s Berlin as depicted in the show and the mounting tensions of the 1960s in America were both obvious and ominous.
...
Now, in 2024, we find ourselves in a different, far more precarious moment. The recent election of Donald Trump to a second term has left many Americans, particularly those who fought so hard against the forces of authoritarianism and hate, feeling drained and disillusioned. There’s a sense that we have seen this show before, that we know how it ends, and that we’re powerless to stop it. Or worse, a sense that even though we are facing dark times, they won’t really affect our own day-to-day lives — echoing the tragically shortsighted assessment of so many European Jews in the 1920s and ’30s.
...
The democratic election of an authoritarian figure, the normalization of bigotry, the complicity of the frightened masses — none of these are new themes. We have indeed seen this show before, and I fear we do know how it ends. It’s understandable to want to retreat, to find solace where we can, but we cannot afford to look away.
History is giving us another chance to confront the forces that “Cabaret” warned us about. The question is: Will we listen this time, or will we keep laughing until the music stops?
--Percy

  
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