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Rahvin Member Posts: 4069 Joined: Member Rating: 10.0
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Important to remember that he has a mandate among those who voted.
He does not represent or have the support of a majority of Americans. Something like 40% of eligible voters didn't show up at all. America is not dead yet. But we do desperately need candidates who aren't perceived as the lesser of two evils.-->“The human understanding when it has once adopted an opinion (either as being the received opinion or as being agreeable to itself) draws all things else to support and agree with it.” - Francis Bacon "There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers “A world that can be explained even with bad reasons is a familiar world. But, on the other hand, in a universe suddenly divested of illusions and lights, man feels an alien, a stranger. His exile is without remedy since he is deprived of the memory of a lost home or the hope of a promised land. This divorce between man and his life, the actor and his setting, is properly the feeling of absurdity.” – Albert Camus "...the pious hope that by combining numerous little turds of variously tainted data, one can obtain a valuable result; but in fact, the outcome is merely a larger than average pile of shit." - Barash, David 1995... "Many that live deserve death. And some die that deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then be not too eager to deal out death in the name of justice, fearing for your own safety. Even the wise cannot see all ends." - Gandalf, J. R. R. Tolkien: The Lord Of the Rings "The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death." -->Nihil supernum --> -->
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Percy Member Posts: 22953 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 6.9
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Rahvin writes in Message 16: America is not dead yet. But we do desperately need candidates who aren't perceived as the lesser of two evils. I guess perception is everything, but I think that most of the time the phrase "lesser of two evils" is not intended literally. It might be more accurately expressed as choosing the greater of two lessers. But in this case one of the candidates *was* truly evil while the other was just a normal sane person and quite arguably not a lesser. The country chose vengeance, grievance and power madness over sanity, rationality and sensibility. --Percy
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xongsmith Member Posts: 2620 From: massachusetts US Joined: |
Rahvin writes:
Something like 40% of eligible voters didn't show up at all. Thursday, 2:40 AM, looking at the incomplete totals:Kamala 67,927,989 shitsmear 72,623,882 ------------------------------- 140,551,871 in 2020 there were 155 million, Biden's 81 million to shitsmear's 74 million. there are more eligible votes today than in 2020. on the surface it would seem the Repugnant Party's use of voter suppression techniques worked. i was expecting a record turnout this time, so what happened? also shitsmear may still match the 2020 number as the final tallies roll in."I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside." Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned! Enjoy every sandwich! - xongsmith, 5.7dawkins scale
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Taq Member Posts: 10302 Joined: Member Rating: 7.1 |
Rahvin writes: Important to remember that he has a mandate among those who voted. He does not represent or have the support of a majority of Americans. Something like 40% of eligible voters didn't show up at all. I get what you are saying, but that is never how mandates have been defined in the past. If you don't vote then you are tacitly handing your decision to those who do vote. It's the democratic version of the wedding phrase, "Speak now or forever hold your peace." Trump has as much of a mandate as any prior president who was elected by the same majority of popular votes. It sickens me to say that, but it's the truth.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8654 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 6.7
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This is a nation of laws, even for those who seem to relish in breaking them because they’re financially and politically able to get away with (most of) it. We have little choice but to do as the law intended.
There not having been any great controversy in election proceedings (despite Trump and company still insisting there is (undefined unevidnced) fraud) this election can be seen to be as close to free fair and open as a modern society can make a national poll. Which means Trump won and we live a very sick society. Enlightenment v 2.0 is not progressing as many of us had expected, hoped. We are still an openly violent and stupid species and when left to our own freedoms we still love us the strong man to make war and strike at our enemies. We still feel that background rage of a savage animal in a savage world and we still fear and loathe all that we cannot count as Us. The pendulum has swung in what many of us consider to be away from the humanist progress we once saw on the distant horizon; our utopian fantasies of what a free and prosperous society could achieve. Such swings toward greed are not sudden (Reagan) and last right up to the present … and generations beyond. At this point the hate/fear/greed appears to control a major share of our population. The enlightenment is still many decades of hard struggle away. Apologies to you young ones. We tried. We failed. Maybe, if there is enough left, your kids and grandkids can put us back on track. Until then we have to survive the rise of the animal, again.“There’s simply no polite way to tell people they’ve dedicated their lives to an illusion,” -Daniel Dennett Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Percy Member Posts: 22953 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
From the Washington Post: Trump allies push to punish Jack Smith in first test of retribution vow
I know most people don't have access to the Washington Post, so here are a few excerpts:
Washington Post: Scary stuff. The criminals will be running the courthouse. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22953 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 6.9
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AZPaul3 writes in Message 20: ...we live a very sick society. I think the average American is poorly educated, leaving them unable to tell truth from lies, good information from bad. Unless you're an Elon or a Bezos trying to maximize your businesses' opportunities under Trump, you couldn't vote for him without being ignorant or dismissive of the clear consequences of a second Trump presidency. --Percy
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Phat Member Posts: 18651 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.3 |
I found a good quote for this occasion:
quote: Percy:It was remarks like that from the elitists that caused the populists to rebel again and elect Trump. You cant assume that your intelligence is superior to mine or anyone else's (even if it is) Humility is a virtue.
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Percy Member Posts: 22953 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 6.9
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Phat writes in Message 23: It was remarks like that from the elitists that caused the populists to rebel again and elect Trump. You cant assume that your intelligence is superior to mine or anyone else's (even if it is) Humility is a virtue. When you say populists you don't actually mean populists. Trump is the populist. You're actually referring to those vulnerable to Trump's populist appeals. You must believe these people reasoned, "I'm insulted by those who say that supporting Trump must mean I don't understand that Trump is telling lies and is a threat to democracy, personal freedoms, the rule of law and the climate, so I'll show them! I'll vote for Trump!" Does that sound like a rational thinking process to you? By the way, someone who notes mistaken thinking is not an elitist. An elitist is not someone capable of simple logic and rational thinking. And most everyone *is* capable of simple logic and rational thinking, but only about those things of which they are knowledgeable and familiar. It is well understood in science that when a scientist ventures outside his own field he is often no better than a mere layperson. In the same way, many of the people who voted for Trump were making decisions involving concepts unfamiliar to them. January 6th should have been enough all by itself (not that there wasn't much else) to convince nearly everyone that Trump was a menace to democracy and woefully unqualified for high office, but it wasn't. What does that say about the 51% who voted for Trump? Or maybe I'm wrong. Maybe understanding that democracy is fragile and can be lost, indeed has been lost in a number of countries in our own lifetime, is an elitist concept. If you can't recognize democracy when you see it, you won't miss it when it's gone. Only the elitists will know it's gone, and who cares about them. As a side comment, I don't want to get into the whole thing of, "The U.S. is actually a constitutional federal democratic republic." I think most of us are aware that the U.S. actually combines characteristics of both a republic and a democracy, but constantly using that terminology would make discussion awkward and lengthy. I'm just going to keep things simple and say that we live in a democracy. Most people will know what I mean. --Percy
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2341 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 7.9 |
It was remarks like that from the elitists that caused the populists to rebel again and elect Trump. I refer you to the quote at the end of my signature.It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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Phat Member Posts: 18651 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.3 |
I remember your signature.
quote: Lets peruse the dictionary (and wikipedia) and unpack some of this stuff, shall we?
Wikipedia writes: Elitism is the notion that individuals who form an elite — a select group with desirable qualities such as intellect, wealth, power, physical attractiveness, notability, special skills, experience, lineage — are more likely to be constructive to society and deserve greater influence or authority.[1] The term elitism may be used to describe a situation in which power is concentrated in the hands of a limited number of people. Beliefs that are in opposition to elitism include egalitarianism, anti-intellectualism (against powerful institutions perceived to be controlled by elites), populism, and the political theory of pluralism. No one disagrees with the fact that Democrats in general are better educated than Republicans. Many Republicans are CEO's and business leaders. Much of the base is small business owners, many of whom never finished college. According to wiki, elitism as a group favors pluralism as a political ideal.
Wiki writes: Pluralism is seemingly favoring larger government whereas populism favors smaller government. Classical pluralism is the view that politics and decision-making are located mostly in the framework of government but that many non-governmental groups use their resources to exert influence. The central question for classical pluralism is how power and influence are distributed in a political process. Groups of individuals try to maximize their interests. Lines of conflict are multiple and shifting as power is a continuous bargaining process between competing groups. There may be inequalities but they tend to be distributed and evened out by the various forms and distributions of resources throughout a population. Any change under this view will be slow and incremental, as groups have different interests and may act as "veto groups" to destroy legislation. The existence of diverse and competing interests is the basis for a democratic equilibrium,[1] and is crucial for the obtaining of goals by individuals. Comments? I'm in the process of learning here.Note the demographic makeup of our two main political parties. Trumps base is largely white, though other minorities are included based on the shared interest of business. at the DNC, every ethnicity was cheerfully on display, including the LGBQT. It seems that one side favors diversity whereas the other side favors unity at the risk of " a lack of commitment to the democratic process, disrespect for fundamental minority rights, demonization of opponents, and acceptance of political violence."
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PaulK Member Posts: 17919 Joined: Member Rating: 6.7
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quote: According to your quote “pluralism” is one of the views in opposition to elitism.
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3971 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 7.1 |
I hope they do investigate Jack Smith, and do a thorough job showing that there was nothing for tRUMP to be prosecuted[/s].
Moose
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8654 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 6.7 |
And I hope they find the hidden entrance to the evil Illiteratii libraries and we finally learn who really is in charge of this place. I'm leaning toward the Reptilians.
“There’s simply no polite way to tell people they’ve dedicated their lives to an illusion,” -Daniel Dennett Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Phat Member Posts: 18651 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.3 |
Upon further investigation, you are right. I must have gotten confused by reading that pluralists favored big government.
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